i was going to buy the focus sport tune...but a local shop (evolution performance) said they will tune the car for 400 that includes 3 pulls and the tuner should i do that or get the general tune from focus sport...im thinking that i would maybe get more out of the performance shop tune bc they can see all my data on the computer...u thoughts please would be greatly appreciated

ive herad the focus ECU is tricky to tune if you dont know what your doing. I'd prolly check to see is they have tuned focuses before.

Focus sport does a good rep. But also Tom from focus power can hook you up and you would have no worries. Plus he offers free updates as long as you stay NA, i think.

I wouldnt go fs , I would go with my tune from focus-power

I charge 399.00 and 20.00 for shipping but with getting it from me you dont pay extra for options and you get FREE updates as you add more mods and I have been tuning the Focus much longer then anyone else out there

Tom

^ agreed. and he has no problem with helping on the phone, emails and what not.. he tuned a friends focus (08) and was one of hte first i believe and he spent a lot of time with it.... great guy too!

I wouldnt go fs , I would go with my tune from focus-power

I charge 399.00 and 20.00 for shipping but with getting it from me you dont pay extra for options and you get FREE updates as you add more mods and I have been tuning the Focus much longer then anyone else out there

Tom

lol youre a little biased Tom.

IMO the best place to get tunes from is from Randy at FSWerks, formerly Focussport. dont go to a shop unless they have ALOT of experience with the Ford Focus.

from what ive seen and heard and experienced myself, Randy does a great job. there are so many threads with people so happy about their tune from him

FSWerks xcal with tune costs $379 with FREE shipping.

and here is an example of a fswerks tuned car with your motor and an intake an exhaust. the only thing changed was the tune.

http://www.focussport.com/images/23duratecDyno.jpg

havent really seen any dynos of duratec tuned by Tom, or actually seen anyone driving a duratec with his tune, but im sure some are out there.

^^Agreed, I would go with either Tom, Randy or McNews.

lol youre a little biased Tom.

FSWerks xcal with tune costs $379 + shipping.

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LOL Im very biased LOL

You gave the fs price but you failed to mention that he charges you again if say you change header and need an updated tune , this could get very costly

It was brought to my attention that I may have posted some incorrect pricing for fs tuning :Looking into that now

Tom

LOL Im very biased LOL

You gave the fs price but you failed to mention that he charges 35.00 for each option you want and charges you again if say you change header and need an updated tune , this could get very costly ,,

Tom

oh tom you silly sally giving out wrong information.

fswerks charges $379 + free shipping which is $40 less than you charge.

fswerks doesn’t charge anything extra for options. its all included in the price of a program.

a completely new program from fswerks is $35. most people don’t even order more than 2 programs in the life of their car.

and also FSWerks has been tuning the 2008-2009 since around july 07. that’s when they got the stc car that they turbo'd and were pushing 396whp with and won the competition. they didn’t release a tune to the public due to SCT not having datalogging available yet and they didn’t want to sell a tune without having datalogging capability.

also FSWerks has been working on the duratec focus for a VERY long time. you cant really brag about having more experience with the duratec. id be willing to bet fswerks has more tunes out there than you do.

tom give out the facts as they are so you dont look like a biased jerk promoting only your product.

whoa, I think we might of gone off topic a bit. Basically I think the best idea is stick with some one reputable and that works on focuses all the time.

Go with focus power or FSWerks. Personally when i get my turbo setup in i'm taking my car up to McNews (1 hr and 20 mins away) to have them tune it.

If thats there prices I stand corrected , I was going off what others had told me thay paid when going to my tune

I have customers that are at 5 and 6 updates , even at 2 updates mine is a savings of 30.00 , Most dont update AS THEY SHOULD because they dont want to pay the extra not because an update isnt needed

As for the Duratec engine I have been building and tuning them sence mid 2001 , I have dozens of them in NA 240HP and about 14 of them turbocharged from 240 to 365HP

Yes they may have done more that debateable , I go for quality not quanity

Tom

Isn't McNews in PA? If he is close enough to drive, maybe a dyno tune would be your best bet. Not sure how many of the new models he has tuned though. Either way, Tom and Randy do pretty good remote tunes so I don't see you losing any way you go.

BAck to the ORIGINAL question...

I think that any shop that says "we'll tune your car and guive you 3 pulls" is full of shit......

Maybe with a Mustang but not on a Focus,

I agree with the post above "go for quality"fswerks.

I wouldnt go fs , I would go with my tune from focus-power

I charge 399.00 and 20.00 for shipping but with getting it from me you dont pay extra for options and you get FREE updates as you add more mods and I have been tuning the Focus much longer then anyone else out there

Tom

how much do you charge for tunes if you purchased your tuner from someone else?

150.00 and that also comes with free updates as long as you stay NA

Tom

Id be VERY surprised if they could properly tune your car in 3 pulls... what about driveability???

also, with that dyno chart, anyone can remove 1.0 afr of fuel and make more power/torque. I am not the least bit impressed.

I agree with the post above "go for quality"fswerks.

Do the two of you go around to each thread just to spread FocusSport? DO THEY PAY YOU? or do you just have that much time on your hands?

at least Tom is trying to sell himself and his own product. You guys just downtalk his and rub Randy's nuts for what, pride for your turbo? lolz

since Randy and the gang at FSWerks hardly ever post over here, i try and help them out. thats why when Tom was giving out COMPLETELY wrong information, i went ahead and corrected him.

I wouldnt go to a shop just because there giving three pulls. Tom is very knowedgeable and is a great supporter of our web site. He is on hte site giving out FREE advice all the time. IMO support the sponser of the site. FSWERKS area good bunch of guys and do have a good rep, but there never on FF helping anyone out.

since Randy and the gang at FSWerks hardly ever post over here, i try and help them out. thats why when Tom was giving out COMPLETELY wrong information, i went ahead and corrected him.

They hardly ever post here and you help them out? Why? If they dont wnat to come onto the site and promote their product and services what makes you feel like your the embasador for them?

from what i understand, Vik, the tech at FSWerks, is the one with an account over here. Randy apparently used to but doesnt anymore. kind of like how tom used to be a member on the other site but isnt anymore. Randy and Tom dont get along anyway so its probably best that they dont post on the same forum. lol

and to be honest, i post on here as if i was talking to family. recommending things i would recommend for my family. such as parts or tunes from companys like fswerks, cfm, massive, importcarpartsplus.com, etc. and i correct people when they give out wrong info.

i was going to buy the focus sport tune...but a local shop (evolution performance) said they will tune the car....

Just say NO to evolution performance, they've blown up at least 3 cars that I know of. Honestly if you want a tune why not go kinda local and go to McNews over in Dillsburg, PA (near Harrisburg)?

And guys lets get back to the original question. Not another FS vs FP battle.

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exactly.. OP don't go to that shop.. just go ahead and have randy at fswerks do a tune

$379 with free shipping and a good tune, even tuned remotely.. my turbo'd car was tuned remotely by him and its making great power and im over 20k miles boosted

Seeing as the original poster asked about the FocusSport tune, I don't see what's the big deal with FS customers supporting them and clearing up some misinformation. As a sponsor, I don't see any issues with Tom promoting his product. Why does it always have to come to a nasty war about FS vs FP and the people who support them?

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exactly.

I don't much care for the war of words either. The common thread that bonds Focus owners together is our love for that car. I live 30 mins from FSWerks and give them some of my business, BUT I also shop around and do business with a lot of different companies that are out of California as well. As far as tuning goes, I'm going with the tune from FSWerks. That is my choice. When I had my '03 SVTF, I went with a DIABLO Predator from Tom at Focus-Power, which was a great tune BTW. Will the bickering end, probably not, but the binding thread is and should be our love of the Focus. For our g2g & meets, etc, I extend an invite to my friends on both FF and FJ and I try and attend any that my friends set up as well. My new '09 ses coupe is my 3rd Focus in a row...heck I'm not hooked! Sorry for the rant, but I think it needed to be said. -Cliff

fswerks charges $379 + free shipping which is $40 less than you charge.

fswerks doesn’t charge anything extra for options. its all included in the price of a program.

a completely new program from fswerks is $35. most people don’t even order more than 2 programs in the life of their car.


Here's some information most people don't know.

With all bolt-ons and cams, just like I have on my car (see profile for mods) FSWerks charges the CUSTOM tuning price which begins for NA motors at $300.
Custom tuning with them requires a wideband AF gauge and an XCal2 which are not included in the price of tuning.

Randy told me this himself.

Tom has told me that he can do tuning on my car for $150 (because I already bought an XCal2 from FSWerks about 2 years ago) and give me free updates no matter what my build is as long as I stay NA. All bolt-ons, forged internals, high compression, cossie intake manifold, head swap, etc. This service will also require wideband AF gauge and XCal2 but I already have those.

Now, I don't know who is the more skilled tuner or who has done more what.

What I do know is which tuner I plan to hire and why. I think it is obvious who my choice is.

My decision is based on my situation/tuning needs which are not the same as your average tuner.

The average tuner with an NA motor will just need a basic tune for I/E.

I wouldn't go with the local performance shop based on what Ken said, and because I have never heard of them. Please don't choose them whatever your choice is.

Just so that those interested know , If afraziaaa had bought his xcal from me (Focus-Power) originially he wouldnt be paying anything for his new tune

My xcal comes with free NA tunes reguardless of what you do to the engine

Tom

Here's some information most people don't know.

With all bolt-ons and cams, just like I have on my car (see profile for mods) FSWerks charges the CUSTOM tuning price which begins for NA motors at $300.
Custom tuning with them requires a wideband AF gauge and an XCal2 which are not included in the price of tuning.

Randy told me this himself.

Tom has told me that he can do tuning on my car for $150 (because I already bought an XCal2 from FSWerks about 2 years ago) and give me free updates no matter what my build is as long as I stay NA. All bolt-ons, forged internals, high compression, cossie intake manifold, head swap, etc. This service will also require wideband AF gauge and XCal2 but I already have those.

Now, I don't know who is the more skilled tuner or who has done more what.

What I do know is which tuner I plan to hire and why. I think it is obvious who my choice is.

My decision is based on my situation/tuning needs which are not the same as your average tuner.

The average tuner with an NA motor will just need a basic tune for I/E.

I wouldn't go with the local performance shop based on what Ken said, and because I have never heard of them. Please don't choose them whatever your choice is.

so do you just drive to either focus sport or turbo tom and they dyno tune the car for you? since your in san diego i guess you went with the focus sport tuning for $300 even though its more money but you get the full dyno tuned thing and they are local right? if so i think im in the same boat i don't mind paying more if its worth it and local from professionals who know the focus. but if you are close to turbo tom that would be a good one too so i guess location should be considered.

Just so that those interested know , If afraziaaa had bought his xcal from me (Focus-Power) originially he wouldnt be paying anything for his new tune

My xcal comes with free NA tunes reguardless of what you do to the engine

Tom

that is a good price i think. do you do tunes for the intake manifolds like cosworth or weapon r? if so please post some. i can never find NA dynos from anyone but marcy and focus sport for duratec focuses. i read on here or focaljet that you ahve 240 whp duratecs NA!!! man i gotta see what those dynos look like!!!![clap]

he's probably talking about remote tuning from Tom

I do dyno tuning and remote tuning

Tom

congrats on the tune purchase let us know how it turns out

Kind of off topic but just out of curiosity can you match the quality of the tune through remote tuning as opposed to dyno tuning? it probably just takes a little more time to get it perfected right?

he's probably talking about remote tuning from Tom

Yes. I am not ready for a dyno tune yet. It doesn't make sense to pay for a dyno tune if I am going to need to do it again and again and have to pay the fee again and again.

If I was planning on a single tuning session, then I would get on a dyno. But, you don't need a dyno for custom tuning.

Here's some information most people don't know.

With all bolt-ons and cams, just like I have on my car (see profile for mods) FSWerks charges the CUSTOM tuning price which begins for NA motors at $300.
Custom tuning with them requires a wideband AF gauge and an XCal2 which are not included in the price of tuning.

Randy told me this himself.

Tom has told me that he can do tuning on my car for $150 (because I already bought an XCal2 from FSWerks about 2 years ago) and give me free updates no matter what my build is as long as I stay NA. All bolt-ons, forged internals, high compression, cossie intake manifold, head swap, etc. This service will also require wideband AF gauge and XCal2 but I already have those.

Now, I don't know who is the more skilled tuner or who has done more what.

What I do know is which tuner I plan to hire and why. I think it is obvious who my choice is.

My decision is based on my situation/tuning needs which are not the same as your average tuner.

The average tuner with an NA motor will just need a basic tune for I/E.

I wouldn't go with the local performance shop based on what Ken said, and because I have never heard of them. Please don't choose them whatever your choice is.

yeah he tells everyone that. its listed as a sticky on fj under their section so everyone knows it. the options for the regular programs are listed on their website as well. radical N/A builds like you have done requires a lot of time and effortto program, even more than the turbo tunes. thats why randy actually charges for things like aftermarket intake manifold, high compression pistons, stage 3 cams, etc, as will most shops.

Tom happens to have a fantastic policy about his tunes. If you buy the xcal from him he tunes for everything for free if you stay N/A, and if you spend $150 he does it too. Thats crazy and I don't know of many shops that do that. FSWerks will not do that. think about it, its not a smart business decision. If Randy is gonna spend hours working on a tune for your car and getting everything running perfect, why would he not deserve to be reimbursed. He's taking time away from everything else and a business earns money by charging for their work. Things like header, cai, exhaust, etc are not hard to tune for, but cams, different compression pistons, etc make it more challenging and thus take more time and who does that for free besides tom? i dont know of any place. hell i know a guy who was charged $150 for a tune a couple weeks ago and now just installed a new IM and is gonna be charged even more again.

FSWerks doesnt charge you for extra for options, but for radical N/A builds and Super/Turbocharged and Nitrous apps they will charge you extra for due to much more work being needed. Thats just their policy. Just like with the turbo builds Randy tunes most things for free, such as a build motor, cossie IM, etc.

that is a good price i think. do you do tunes for the intake manifolds like cosworth or weapon r? if so please post some. i can never find NA dynos from anyone but marcy and focus sport for duratec focuses. i read on here or focaljet that you ahve 240 whp duratecs NA!!! man i gotta see what those dynos look like!!!![clap]

i havent seen any dynos from tom and a duratec motor. id love to see a 240whp N/A duratec dyno, but i never have.

"think about it, its not a smart business decision."

I think offering a good product at a reasonable affordable cost to your market is excellent business strategy. You build reputation, earn new customers, and have repeat customers.

more customers lower price, fewer customers higher price, they both make money. Only trouble is the lower price guy needs to build value in his product over time using his results and customers' experiences (which Tom has done well).

Obviously you dont know much about tuning , once you have done a tune for a customer NA then he add cams , intake , higher compression is just a little more work , You think I do it for free FUNNY , 150.00 isnt exactly free , fs charging 675.00 for a flasher and a tune for cams , intake and a little more compression is crazy , I wont treat my customers that way , It isnt all about money

Turbos take a TON more work then NA , even small changes in boost can make big changes in tuning , customer ups the boost with me there isnt a charge m fs charges more

Tuning is an art but if you know what your doing the time it takes just isnt that much and im not going to bend my customers over just because thay dont know better

Tom

AMEN!... Wit that said?

FOCUS-POWER n Tom = <3 HAPPINESS lol

tom do you not have any NA duratec dyno charts? i'd love to see some please!!!! come on show us whatcha got!!! seriously i want to see what a 240 whp duratec looks like. :)

also tom, i have asked fs before and they don't charge you more money if you up the boost that has already been made known now. even for a complete new built engine they tune the turbos for free over and over again. that is a plus for us shopping around. please don't misinform people here i thought we are here for facts ya know???

So if you have a Focus-Power/Roush/DIY/precisio turbo kit and fs does a remote tune , then you up the boost , build the engine , add cams , FR intake , fs retunes it for free ?

That is what you just said correct ?

But if you have NA fs tune and do a engine build , cams , intake he charges 300.00 more ??? fs does it for free turbo but charges NA $300.00 boy would I feel bent over

Just trying to get the facts straight so please correct me if and where I am wrong

Tom

So if you have a Focus-Power/Roush/DIY/precisio turbo kit and fs does a remote tune , then you up the boost , build the engine , add cams , FR intake , fs retunes it for free ?

That is what you just said correct ?

I think they only retune boost changes for free, and that is if you buy the turbo from them. Custom tuning for a non FSWerks turbo setup starts at $400 and goes up from there.


But if you have NA fs tune and do a engine build , cams , intake he charges 300.00 more ??? fs does it for free turbo but charges NA $300.00 boy would I feel bent over

Just trying to get the facts straight so please correct me if and where I am wrong

Tom

$300 is the custom tuning fee (starting price: most cars can be tuned for under $500), dyno or no dyno. Custom tuning is required with internal work.

Now I am questioning myself as to whether I misunderstood Randy or not. Maybe they charge the custom fee once, and then charge the update price when you make changes???

More to come...

so i keep asking and don't get acknowledged...tom can we see some of the high horsepower duratec dyno charts please? my friend is going NA and i told him this power was possible and he says he doubts it. i'd like to show him some proof. so do you have any? i read that you said you do 240 whp duratecs for NA.

so i keep asking and don't get acknowledged...tom can we see some of the high horsepower duratec dyno charts please? my friend is going NA and i told him this power was possible and he says he doubts it. i'd like to show him some proof. so do you have any? i read that you said you do 240 whp duratecs for NA.

Only dyno near that I have seen was done by Walter Marcy. 239whp on 12.5:1 with custom intake and exhaust manifolds, 3" exhaust and stage 3 (I think...maybe 3 with custom machine work done?) cams.

That was on CA 91 pump gas from shell.

$300 is the custom tuning fee (starting price: most cars can be tuned for under $500), dyno or no dyno. Custom tuning is required with internal work.

Now I am questioning myself as to whether I misunderstood Randy or not. Maybe they charge the custom fee once, and then charge the update price when you make changes???

More to come...

Ok, so here's the word straight from the Horse's mouth...well, actually its from the horse's mouth into mine and regurgitated by me. [vommit]

"No, I don't keep charging the $300 every time. That is just to get it going. Once the initial work is done, new mods aren't something I charge for usually. Or if I do charge it's a very small fee."

This is Randy talking about NA tuning. Usually done remote if you are not a local customer, but if you are local the price includes dyno time.

So yes, the $300 is only the price for the tuning.

Now that we all have all the correct information, I hope we can all make the decision according to what works best for us individually.

tom do you not have any NA duratec dyno charts? i'd love to see some please!!!! come on show us whatcha got!!! seriously i want to see what a 240 whp duratec looks like. :)

also tom, i have asked fs before and they don't charge you more money if you up the boost that has already been made known now. even for a complete new built engine they tune the turbos for free over and over again. that is a plus for us shopping around. please don't misinform people here i thought we are here for facts ya know???

Looks like I did have my facts straight !

Tom

^^ yes, other than to up the boost for free it has to be one of their kits, not a focus-power kit

Some things covered free of charge with the FSwerks turbo kit programming.
Cosworth intake manifold,turbo pistons,certain cam profiles,engine swap from 2.0 to 2.3 Duratec or vice versa.Best thing to do is just call and ask but for most who purchase there kit and upgrade parts your going to be covered under there free programming.

so i keep asking and don't get acknowledged...tom can we see some of the high horsepower duratec dyno charts please? my friend is going NA and i told him this power was possible and he says he doubts it. i'd like to show him some proof. so do you have any? i read that you said you do 240 whp duratecs for NA.

ok tom, i've been around the internet long enough to know when someone is avoiding a question or subject. i guess you don't have any dynos for 240 whp NA duratecs. i'm kinda surprised though since you said here on focus fanatics you did more than a few. do you have something closer to 200 whp maybe??? give us something, anything sheesh.

Looks like I did have my facts straight !

Tom

even small changes in boost can make big changes in tuning , customer ups the boost with me there isnt a charge m fs charges more



after you were corrected earlier, yes your facts were mostly straight according the post by afrazzia. [hihi]

ok tom, i've been around the internet long enough to know when someone is avoiding a question or subject.

Nope avoiding you mostly , you have been a ????? now you want something and expect me to jump , Dont think so

And who said this was in a Focus , I have been building Duratec engines sence 96/97


Tom

lol.

if anyone wants to know the tuning fees for fswerks they are very easily available and i can send you them in a PM. they are listed on fj for everyone to see. and the options available for a regular tune are listed on their main website. they also list that you pay for a program, not options as tom would like you to believe. you dont pay extra for drag launch, or for a custom rev limit, or for rear o2 delete, or anything like that. you just tell Randy what options you want and he makes the program. once you get a program, if you want another option down the road, thats when it costs $35, and thats not for the option, its for a whole new program.

when it comes to custom things like high compression pistons, stage 3 cams, intake manifold, etc, the price starts at $300 and most cars can be done for less than $500.

Focus-Power does not charge that 35.00 or do they charge that added 300-500.00

FP NA tune with High Compression , intake , stg3 cams 399.00, If you add even more mods later fee is still 399.00 (419.00 with shipping)

fs NA tune with High Compression , intake , stg3 cams 675.00 - 875.00, If you add more mods later fee is ????????

I think I have my facts straight there , No?


Tom

yep thats right tom.

as i said before, you happen to have a fantastic and cheap program there. what other shops do that? none that i know of.

if someone is doing a serious N/A build with all those mods then yeah its cheaper to go with you. who will give you the best tune is debateable.

if someone has intake, header, exhaust then the fswerks tune is less expensive. its all in what the customer needs.

I have quality and price , How could anyone beat that

Tom

Nope avoiding you mostly , you have been a ????? now you want something and expect me to jump , Dont think so

And who said this was in a Focus , I have been building Duratec engines sence 96/97


Tom

why would you avoid me? because i ask questions? aren't you on this message board to answer questions and do business? and to inform people of the truth?

ok so i guess you don't have any high horsepower focus duratec NA experience. don't sweat it. if its a 4cylinder duratec i'm sure there are plenty of people who are interested in what you've done, i know i am. [:)]

though, what cars had the duratec in 96 or 97??? i thought they were first released in the ranger in 2001 or 2002. [???:)]

Correction 00/01 I have been building the Duratec and I built my first one in 2000 for a customer yes it was a ranger

If anyone is interested in what I can do with a Dura engine there welcome to ask me about it , I have been building them for the Ranger , Focus and the Mazda Turbo so far everyone likes them

You gemini47 are not going to buy a thing and you dont want the info so dont act like its for you , you want to stir the pot and and start more BS nothing more , so you wont get much from me

Tom

touchy. i like to see what's out there and i like to see what people can do with their cars. i will probably go turbo, but my friend is going NA and is looking at his options. if you don't want the business fine. i wasn't going to point him your way without some kind of track record or proof or something but you don't want to show anything so whatever. doesn't make any sense. you say you got something and then you dont' want to show it. weird way to do business if you ask me.

but i gotta ask. how were you building duratecs in 2000 when there is no way there was aftermarket parts for them when they had just been released????

My past record should stand for it self , If it take one dyno to make your decision to point him my way then your just starting crap nothing more

As for the 2000 Dura engine if Ford was building them why couldnt I get the parts to do the same thing , I got the bearings , gaskets from Ford (inside connections) rods and pistons custom made , I ported the head , made the retainers , springs from a Totota , cams from comp custom after getting blanks from Ford Engineer , I made the Intake , header , tuning was with autologic

Any other questions ?

That and what I have been doing for 9 years with the Focus shouldnt be in question and Im sure should be enough for you to send your "friend" my way

Tom

i was just goin off of what you said about that duratec turbo thread where you said you had to wait several months at a time for custom duratec parts to be made. and that the project took you 2 years to complete and that was only a couple of years ago so that is what i asked about doing this in 2000.

i actually just talked to my friend. he said he wants to call you to talk to you directly on the phone about what he wants to do. please give me the phone number so he can call you.

Sure im allways up for some fun 704-249-3745

Tom

delete

Wise decision

Tom

who will give you the best tune is debateable.

its all in what the customer needs.

Bingo.

I am not qualified to debate who is best. If I knew more about tuning, maybe. Even then, probably not.

Sure im allways up for some fun 704-249-3745

Tom

he called today at 2:20pm pacific time zone he just told me. no answer. when is a good time to call?

Most any time , mornings are allways best

Tom

Just wanted to chime in here about my experiences with Randy.

My car was originally tuned by McNews and it ran damn good, but had a few quirks when I got it up to high alt. I live at 7k ft. above sea level, so I wanted it tuned here at this altitude where the car will reside. It took some looking around, but I found a guy willing and able to help me out. He did a pretty good job on my tune, but had issues getting the idle nailed down.

As it turns out, Randy stepped up and offered to help. The tuner out here sent me the tune file to forward on to Randy without any issue and Randy nailed the idle with ease and sent me the completed file back the same day ... it had nothing to do with business, he simply wanted to help out a member of the community because he was following my posts and decided to lend a hand.

Just thought it was nice and should be mentioned here. I know some would rather not go to him, others do ... that's your choice. Either way you go (Tom/Randy/Ray), you will be just fine. But I would certainly recommend picking someone with a little knowledge of focus' and ford tuning overall.

Good luck to ya!

so you dealt with three different shops and people, that's pretty good for looking at things from a broader view. most people only deal with one i'd bet.

I dealt with one and had enough... gave up and bought PRP...