: Is '01 MTX compatable with '03 ZTS?
04-20-2009, 11:05 PM
Hi everyone. I got some bad news today. My transmission is pretty much blown. It's a '03 ZTS with an automatic and DOHC. Up here in AK it costs a ton more to get stuff fixed - we're talkin about $1800-$3000+ for ford re-man or any type of rebuild.
I was browsing craigslist today and I found an ad for an '01 Focus with DOHC with a manual trans. Has some rear-end damage, no doors or quater panels, but still runs. Guy wants to get rid of it for *FREE*.
So I'm trying to figure out if that mtx should be compat with my '03, his being an '01 and all. But I should have everything required for the swapout after I pick this up.
Will an '01 mtx, and all of it's associated parts, go into an '03 auto?
Thanks in advance for the advice, and thanks to everyone who posted the awesome tutorials and pics!!
04-21-2009, 01:58 AM
define "blown"? There could be an easy fix, and it could affect my answer to your question. What is wrong with it?
the transmissions themselves are compatible but you will have to move your shift tower and cable bracket over to the '01.
04-21-2009, 02:42 AM
The tranny winds up between every gear unless I drive like a total grandma. It also won'd engage into 4th - it switches out of third and then just revs. And it clunks into Reverse, hard.
The shop said that I had a couple of bad solenoids that engage some type of clutch, and pretty much every thing else is badly worn and needs to be replaced. CEL is also on. I guess it's not technically blown because I can still drive it with the OD OFF button pushed in, but it won't last much longer. Plus, I really really wanna manual lol
I called around and the cheapest price I heard was $1600 for a rebuild, but they said that was a rough estimate and it could easily be more.
Thanks for the response. I'm glad to hear that they're compatible. And moving over the shift tower and cable bracket shouldn't be a big deal because it'll come with this car I'm picking up.
Do I have to do something with the ecu before I can drive the car? Do I take it OUT and take it to Ford? What will they charge me for that? Do I take the ecu out of the 01 and put it in the 03 or get the ecu from the 03 and get it flashed? This is my current area of confusion.
Thanks for all your help.
04-21-2009, 02:43 AM
do you have an mtx (manual transaxle) or atx (automatic transaxle)???
04-21-2009, 02:45 AM
I understand your question now. Sorry.
read my thread.
You have a lot more to change than the cable and shift tower.
04-21-2009, 02:47 AM
There are a few ways to do the swap of computers.
One way is to rip out basically the entire wiring harness and use the mtx ecu. This involves removal of the dashboard, among other things.
The other way involves some cutting and splicing of connectors, you keep your old wiring and ECU, and youll need a tune to change the OSS scalar to 26 and turn off the solenoid functions so you dont get any CEL's.
04-21-2009, 04:20 AM
oh boy auto to manual conversion... goodie... i helped a friend do that with a ford ranger about a year ago and boy did i ever feel like shooting myself about halfway through. we were kinda figuring stuff out as we went along as neither of us had ever done anything like that before but after all was said and done he couldnt be happier with his truck! it might be a pain to do but you will be glad you got that manual tranny in!
04-21-2009, 11:49 AM
i have a 04 zts thats auto, i was hoping to convert it to manual as well. i know its a pain, but how long does it take assuming everything goes smoothly?
04-21-2009, 01:00 PM
a full weekend.
04-21-2009, 02:02 PM
no it might take one full day from dawn till dusk if it goes super smooth and you have everything you need and do it all right the first time and dont drink too much over the course of the day. took us 2 days on the ranger with us dicking around and consuming massive ammounts of beer. if we did it again now it might take us 6-8 hours.
being a first timer doing anything like this and it being front wheel drive making it harder to get at everything, going by trial and error to figure stuff out, you will have the tranny in and out at least twice getting it right. you prolly wont have all the parts you need the first time, you probably wont have every tool you need right off the bat. plan on it taking about a week hitting it for about 6 hours a day.
04-21-2009, 03:17 PM
If you follow my guide it will not take more than a weekend.
I contest there is no way possible to mtx swap a focus in one day on your first try...
04-30-2009, 03:42 AM
Ok, so I'm here to update. I picked up a free car ('01 DOHC 5spd with not much body left) and the engine and trans buth look alright. So I started pulling out the trans this week, and tonight, i finally got it out!
The trans was more of a b[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* than the dirver-side axle, and I couldn't figure out why.
So when I pulled the trans, I expected to see the flywheel on the engine and the clutch on the transmission. But once I got everything apart, the clutch was on the engine side with the flywheel. Is this the way it's supposed to be? I unbolted the bell-housing from the engine. Should I have unbolted the bellhousing from the transmission side instead?
Sorry for the stupid questions. I've been working on this all day (yeah, it's still light out at 10:45 here in the 907) and I wanna know that I didn't screw something up.
04-30-2009, 03:45 AM
everything is in its place. thats all normal.
but if you're asking these questions i'm a bit concerned about your ability to pull off the swap in a reasonable amount of time.
04-30-2009, 01:58 PM
I'm not real concerned with the time issues. Besides this, the biggest thing I've ever done was install a remote start and I changed fluid in an atx once. I decided to take my time and learn how to do things right. It's a learning adventure! I'll probably triple my mechanical ability by the time this is all done. Thanks for all the help and for the previous posts with pictures!
04-30-2009, 02:30 PM
lol you do it buddy! thats how the greatest among us learned how to work on these beasts. trial and error and "ooo i wonder what this will do?"
05-02-2009, 04:49 PM
Illinipo, (or anybody else who happens to know), I was wondering what you have to take apart in the interior of the car in order to install the shift cables. I'm working on gutting this donor car I got, and I got the trans and the engine out already. Can't figure out how to get the shift cables out. Also, when you put your shift cables in, how did that go?
Thanks for all the help.
05-02-2009, 05:02 PM
I had to cut the rubber liner on the floor to gain access to the nuts. Start by taking out the center console, and you will understand what I mean.
05-02-2009, 05:29 PM
Thanks, man. Like I said, I appreciate the help. I thought I was going to have to take apart the entire heater core and remove the entire dash panel in order to do that. I now see what you mean. Wish me luck!
05-02-2009, 09:23 PM
Alright, update: I got everything that I needed out of the donor car. Threw the front end back together (minus the discs, calipers and pads that I'm keeping) and rolled it out of the way. I'm also keeping the engine and everything that was attached to it.
Need to order a clutch alignment tool and hopefully I get it here quick. As soon as that's here, I need to grab some new clutch and flywheel bolts and a torque wrench and start to Git R Dun! I'm probably going to install the pedals today or tomorrow because that'll save trouble later and I won't be down long. This is my DD but I do have the option of carpooling with my fiance and we also have the dog truck as a backup.
05-05-2009, 04:31 AM
Another update: Tonight, I got the torque converter off. Yeah, I took the tranny off because I didn't know what Chiltons meant by "remove the 4 bolts from the torque converter." So, after about 40 mins of lookin around, I found the access hole to remove the bolts from the TC. Then I threw on the flywheel, and I used a torque wrench for the first time ever!
I got the old cable out, new cables installed, and put the new shifter in. My fiance picked out a batt-op shift knob with blue LEDs (I didn't get the boot, bezel, or shift knob with the donor car) so the knob's on too.
Had a hell of a time installing the pins on the clutch lines against the firewall. Don't know what the problem is. Can't get the pins all the way in. Advice? Alternative method? I'm stumped. Might try some new pins tomorrow if I can find some at the hardware.
So, tomorrow, clutch lines. Clutch. Clean, vacuum, reassemble interior. Install transmission, finish up.
05-05-2009, 08:36 PM
You are probably putting the pins in wrong. rotate 90 degrees and try again. (ive done that before)
05-06-2009, 01:38 AM
Yeah, I was putting them in wrong. Turns out, best way to do it is to put the pins on first, and then push the line in. So today, I did the electrical stuff, did the clutch lines, and started putting the tranny back in. DON'T DO THAT YOURSELF. It doesn't work. And you pinch coolant lines. After 5 hours solo, of just trying to put the damn thing in, I invited a friend over to help. Do I need to undo the pass-side engine mount? Does it go straight up, or does it need to go in diff-end first and then twist? I'll let you know how it goes.
05-06-2009, 03:18 AM
take the tripod mount off, might make it easier.
clock it 30 degrees counterclockwise, shove it up over the clutch, clock it back, then engage the spline. DO NOT hang the trans off the spline!!
05-08-2009, 02:50 AM
Thanks for the help, everyone. Tranny's in, axle's in, everything's back together. Only mishap I had was busting a nipple off the thermostat housing, but I had a backup so no biggie.
Now the engine cranks, but it won't start. Not sure what the issue is. I added coolant. MAF is hooked up. Can't find any broken wires from anything. Doesn't look like I'm getting spark, but the middle pin and the single pin on the coil both get power on RUN. I was trying to figure out out of the things that I touched, what would allow the engine to crank but not start. Of all the wiring I did, we did the reverse lights, and the thing that allows the engine to start without being in P or N. Also, I did the Vehicle Speed Sensor. Wasn't sure if miswiring that would prevent the engine starting, but then I also read that the guys that threw in the 6spd had to unplug it, which tells me it works unplugged.
I did put in the crankshaft position sensor. I'll check that it's in there right.
I also, at one point, tried to unbolt the alternator-to-battery wire from the alternator. It didnt' unbolt. I suppose I could have busted the conductor inside the neck of that thing. Would that cause this?
Thanks for the help!
05-08-2009, 04:07 AM
Im willing to bet you didnt swap over the crank position sensor mount... its not the sensor that needs swapping, its the mount.
The car will not start without that signal. it will crank and crank and crank but not start.
alternator shouldnt have anything to do with the problem.
05-08-2009, 05:28 AM
Alright. I changed sensors. Didn't realize they had different mounts. What's the difference with the mounts? And how do I change the mount? Thanks!
05-08-2009, 05:40 AM
So I just took a peak on my other engine. Looks like that sensor mount is under the flywheel. So, what's the difference in the mounts? Must be the spacing from the flywheel. If the sensor needs to be further from the flywheel on the manual than it does on the automatic, I should be able to throw in a spacer. If it's the other way around, then I think I have another few days under the car.
05-08-2009, 05:49 AM
You have another few days under the car.
05-09-2009, 10:28 PM
So, yesterday took out trans, swapped sensor housing, trans back in. Today finished up and went for a drive. Drove great! 40 miles in, I somehow managed to break the alum tripod support on top of the trans. I may have popped the clutch while showing off, going into 2nd. So Ill get a new support next week. But has this happened to anyone else? What else could have broke?
05-17-2009, 02:59 AM
Fixed it the other day. Took a few days to find the part. The when the tranny fell on the axle it wedged it against the subframe and pulled the axle apart. The boot was trashed, but I threw it back together anyway for a 40mi drive back home. Next day, I threw in a new axle. Few other things too, to follow up look at Ilinipo's thread (linked to on page 1 of this post).