what's the most whp someones taken out all motor???

and how about best all motor 1/4 mile times??

what can the car make with i/h/e underdrive pulleys, throttle body, flywheel, clutch, msd coil and packs, and tuned

just wondering what is capable of

not very much....a full bolt on SVT with tune only makes like 155whp

well theres no need for a header and svt has the best headers avalible but 155whp?? maybe stock with all the bolt ons its about 170 area give or take

what!? I thought stock they made around 140-145whp....I know they don't make headers and some stuff for it but wow...

I was thinking around 190whp...

one of my friend made around 170whp with intake, exhaust, flywheel and throttle body...

I guess that dyno was WAY off then...

you sure???

how about this guy on the dyno thread..he doesn't even have full bolt ons

Modifications: FS Cool-Flo Intake, ORP, Exhaust Cam Gear, FS Cams(the Cool-Flo actually hurt power over the AEM due to MAF issues)
179 WHP 140 WTQ

yea they def make at least 170 with all the bolt ons

like I said I'm thinking around 180-190whp with FULL bolt ons and a nice dyno tune...

and how about best 1/4 mile time all motor??? I guess low 14's high 13's???

that im not to sure of but from what i under stand if you really know how to drive it about 13.5 dont qoute me on that lol

^^haha...you guys will soon be disapointed

lol well like i said dont qoute me on that im sure someone with those mods will start talkin soon lol im gonna be procharged in a about a month or so but n/a these cars are still fun to drive

yeah man...I'm just wondering because I see these freaking hondas (rsx-s and Si's) making 200+whp all motor and respond good to bolt ons...

I know a svt respond betters to these parts than a zx3...since they are high compressed and better flowing head...but still...that bad???

I have a boosted zx3 but I'm just wondering...I don't expect it to be like a honda but atleast decent..

its pretty much maxed out from the factory...best thing to do would be a S/C or Turbo.

well if you have a boosted zx3 then i would just keep that then but idk your not gonna see anything to crazy from an svt as far as n.a goes like i said i think about 170-180 is about it i believe

Zetec motor wasn't that efficient. That is why Ford went by way of Duratec.
I can tell you a 67mm TB and Intake get you 150hp. So the other bolt ons wont get you much more. 2 or 3 here and there.

I believe Mike (b16sir1991) has the higest whp NA on here and its in the 170's if i remember correctly.

Not all bolt-on's but still all motor: 227whp 192ft/lb

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188846

The svt can make power but for the money it's better just to go turbo or supercharger. The guy who built that fiesta did say that an svt CAN make about 190 with just cams, a port job and maybe a new intake manifold.

that im not to sure of but from what i under stand if you really know how to drive it about 13.5 dont qoute me on that lol

13.5 1/4 mile stock? NO, not even with an 80 shot of NOS or all the bolt ons in the world. High 13s to low 14s are achievebale only with some FI.

like i said i wasnt sure but who cares foci are more fun in the twistys

^^haha...you guys will soon be disapointed

heh.

yeah man...I'm just wondering because I see these freaking hondas (rsx-s and Si's) making 200+whp all motor and respond good to bolt ons...

I know a svt respond betters to these parts than a zx3...since they are high compressed and better flowing head...but still...that bad???

I have a boosted zx3 but I'm just wondering...I don't expect it to be like a honda but atleast decent..

I know a svt respond worse to these parts than a zx3... since they are high compressed and better flowing head to begin with.

It's fun reading through these posts, comparing the speculative ones and the tried-it-all ones, and then glancing at posts and join dates and such. Someone with too much time could develop a formula for post content based on these factors... hehe.

Yeah I just read through them all ... and I wonder ... how many times are people going to keep trying to get more out of the motor ... with little cash? Don't get me wrong I love my SVT ... but N/A power is just not friendly to the wallet. I agree with the twisties comment.

The guy with the fiesta and zetec motor ... had a lot of time and money to custom build a N/A motor for that kind of power.

-Ray-

my friends iphone dyno said my car made 189whp totally stock [clap][clap]


lol, yea theres an iphone application for a dyno.... but i know 189 is a blatant lie haha. i bet im making 145-150whp stock. all i got is a k&n drop in

I think this topic gets brought up a lot because people often want the big honda numbers from minor bolt-on and are wondering what the magic formula is to get there. Well the answer is the it is almost as costly and definitely not as streetable to get an SVT engine to 220whp by going N/A versus some form of FI. This isn't to crush anyone's dreams but I've been on here and FJ for a while now and invariably this thread comes up and we all spend a long time arguing about it and eventually we and OP come to a consensus that FI is the better route to go.

IMHO, the cheapest and most cost effective way to go faster is nitrous but many people don't go this route because when they find out how much a PROPER nitrous setup costs, they go FI or give up. The second cheapest route would be the JRSC (if you can still find one) followed by a supercharger or turbocharger setup. I'm not saying people shouldn't continue their N/A path but rather I'm advising if your plan is eventual big power, tailor your mods for future FI and you will save a lot of money in the long run.

TukaniSVT is right, the SVT has a very potent motor but it just doesn't respond well to bolt ons period. The fact is that we should all be glad that SVT designed such a beautiful and well constructed motor and that Cosworth designed the best possible flowing header for our cars. I'm not saying you shouldn't add parts such as an exhaust or a tune as they increase the drivability of our cars but don't expect big numbers out of them or expect to break into the 14 second range (though it can be done) let alone the 13 second range.

I highly advise everyone to go read the thread on the N/A festiva with the SVT engine and see what it takes to get to 220whp without FI. Sorry if I offended anyone in my rant but I just wanted to set things straight once and for all.

Come on people, our car has been proven to take over 300whp stock! Go get your boost on [8D]

Will tom or b16sir1991 just come into this thread share their knowledge and end this thread lol, you wont see 180-190 whp n/a you prolly wont even see 160 whp...unless you have deep pockets as previously stated...

170 at the wheels is attainable... anything mroe than that on a STREET car would be unusable. buy a honda if you want NA... besides their quickness isnt from N/A its from being lightweight.

and having 1st and 2nd gears that redline (8k rpm) at 28 and 40-something mph, respectively... haha

you can get there (170whp) but its going to be expensive, there is a thread somewhere of a guy that would be hiting like 220whp? suposedly, havent heard of it again.

since that guy showed the "cams" everyone is going crazy, or at least was lol

then.. there is other guy WRCwanabe, he says he will buy cams and see if he can do the 178whp like belaclyf, but who knows what will happen, because the money to go there is almost the same than of a SC

I don't have an SVT, but i've sunk over 3k into just parts for an NA beast. and i'm only at 165 whp. just go w/ boost, its much cheaper!!

i think the peep that are saying higher than 170's are talking at the crank.yes the svt came stock with 170 at the crank but at the wheels is like 10-15% less at wheels so like 150's

nope... we're talking at the wheels... 20 hp should be attainable w/
increased compression (zx3 gasket imo), port work on the exhast side, tuned exhaust cam gear, catless, full 2.5" exhaust, full 3" intake (piping, maf, 67mm tb), udp, ac and maybe even power steering delete, and a freakin aggressive tune.

boost it dude....

way cheaper and way more efficient power for the buck.

Not all bolt-on's but still all motor: 227whp 192ft/lb

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188846

The svt can make power but for the money it's better just to go turbo or supercharger. The guy who built that fiesta did say that an svt CAN make about 190 with just cams, a port job and maybe a new intake manifold.
Quoting this in case anybody missed. As I said in that thread, people in Europe have been pushing well over 200hp on Zetec motors for years. It is definitely possible, but you need to spend that money and get your brain working, because nobody state-side makes an ITB kit for the Zetecs. On the plus side, you can get ported SVT heads and Catcams camshafts through C-F-M, so it's a good start.

i would love an ITB SVT. that would be amazing!

...increased compression (zx3 gasket imo)...
It seems like nobody has tried this yet. I posted here on FF and on FJ, and nobody knows if the Zetec gasket will cause valve clearance problems during VCT operation.

real easy way to tell.... do it and turn the crank manually. the only reason i suggest this over pistons/rods or milling the head is that its EASILY reversable for when you come to your senses and boost it.

You can up the compression when boosting, too, you know. [;)]

yeah i wouldnt tho... my goal is to always remain on pump gas.

its pretty much maxed out from the factory...best thing to do would be a S/C or Turbo.

That really isn't true.

The intake and exhaust can't be improved much if staying streetable. That's why it doesn't respond so well to bolt-ons.
The head on the other hand is a very good design and is restricted by factory cams.

Bolt-ons like intake, throttle body, ignition leads and coil are just a waste of money if you ask me.

As I said before. Headwork, cams, 11:1 compression, ditch the dualmass flywheel and a good remap. This should give the S/C SVT guys a run for their money. Nothing beats the crisp throttle response of a N/A tuned car.

Regarding intakes: Only a real cold air feed like this ill give you a power gain.

http://www.shrani.si/f/2M/g0/3wrhvt3o/1/st170engine.jpg

This setup: Zetec DTC race engine, using standar SVT intake manifold and throttle body with a custom cold air intake giving out 230FWHP around 200WHP(non SVT engine!). Engine managment is standalone with no airflow meter.
There's work done on the internals (not much beacuse of the regulations though, usually just long duration cams with reg limited lift, limited mods to the head and 11:1 CR) but just to give you an idea how much the standard inlet manifold and t/b can flow.

If an intake gives you more power on a dyno it doesn't mean it will gain power while driving with the hood closed drawing in "cooked" air under the bonnet.

i will have to say. if you want more hp the very first thing you have to do is air in and air out. so a tb that is stock is nothing but a air restriction so you must go bigger.

i will have to say. if you want more hp the very first thing you have to do is air in and air out. so a tb that is stock is nothing but a air restriction so you must go bigger.


How big is the standard t/b?

It helps to understand the relationship between size and output to consider that a 2L Formula 3 engine produces 200+BHP through a 26mm (531 sq mm) restrictor, whilst, say, a 75mm throttle body is eight times larger at 4,418 sq mm! Similarly, in an experiment to curb the power of 270 BHP touring car engines, we reduced the size of the single throttle body to less than 44mm (1520 sq mm) before there was any noticeable reduction: a 75mm body has three times the flow.

Bigger t/b very small bang for the buck. In other words, not worth the money.
Cams on the other hand can give 10times the power gain of a t/b and cost just 3 times more.[read]

cams work directly with airflow... they cant draw in more air than the tb,maf,piping and filter can flow. Gotta think big picture, its all related. Hence why we always suggest full exhaust first, then Intake track, then your crazy hp producing mods. no sense in dropping in cams if the stock stuff is gonna restrict it.

First off, can anyone say dead horse? Big N/A power can be achieved, it's just not cost effective. Piko I don't understand your comments on the TB. The TB with a good tune is the best bolt on you can do for an SVT. Is it going to impress you on a dyno? No, but aside from the fact that the stock TB is a cheap piece of plastic, an after market TB makes the engine respond much faster hence increasing the drivabilty. In other words it helps you use more of the power you already have. I will agree that an Intake and exhaust is a waist of money on the performance end. It's been tested several times over and no aftermarket exhaust out flows the factory SVT exhaust. A few people have complained that they lost power on the bottom end. As far as intakes go they don't out flow the stock SVT either and I have yet to see anyone show a temp test with any kind of notable drop.
As I said before. Headwork, cams, 11:1 compression, ditch the dualmass flywheel and a good remap. This should give the S/C SVT guys a run for their money. Nothing beats the crisp throttle response of a N/A tuned car.

Not a pro charger or a power-work and even if it would hang with a JRSC, you just spent twice as much money.

Look people unless you have money to waist, which I would find hard to believe in this economy, just boost the damn thing. It's easier, it's cheaper, and in the long run your going to make more power.

I for one would feel like an ass if I sank 4k or more into an all motor setup only to get my doors blown off by some one who spent 3k building off a DIY turbo kit.

cams work directly with airflow... they cant draw in more air than the tb,maf,piping and filter can flow. Gotta think big picture, its all related. Hence why we always suggest full exhaust first, then Intake track, then your crazy hp producing mods. no sense in dropping in cams if the stock stuff is gonna restrict it.

This simply isn't true. We have been doing 200+ since the early 90's Zetecs here in Europe, and the SVT engine is a far better design than that. A pipe or TB will flow a given amount of air for a given pressure. Cam changes give a huge boost as you are holding the valve open for longer which gives more time for the cylinder to fill, and creating a scavenging effect which effectively increases the intake pressure.

The TB as std is easily big enough, don't waste money for 2 or 3 hp. An exhuast system is a worthwhile upgradre though.

Rick

An exhaust system is not a power upgrade on the SVT. Only the cat pipe is a restriction.

I really think someone should drag up the dead horse picture soon....

Im new here but have done my research in which ive come to believe that with these mods you can acheive real close to 200fwhp n/a..
orp, k&n, ud pulley, good tune should give you right at 163-170fwhp add a really good complete head job should give you really close to 200fwhp..
Reasons to believe ive seen some svt's make 165fwhp with just k&n drop in and orp.. and from numbers of a port and polished and valve angle job svt head from the cfm website calculate inot 44 more hp than stock at .450 lift.. so if you underate everything it gives you 200fwhp
And the sweet part about all of this is after its all said and done i wont have over 4500 invested into the whole car lol i bought it for 2500 with 64k miles not a thing wrong with it.. lol but like i said im new but done research and have plans and i will post them up as soon as i get the results which should be in a month or so and i will make my own build thread to prove its possible to have a 200+fwhp n/a svtf.. if anything ive said was wrong correct me but i too have seen several euro svtf's makeing anywhere from 195-210fwhp and running in the 13's

Now im not a know it all but this is what ive seen and i respect the people that has foresay waisted there money doing a n/a build rather than the people that just have fi from the start and feel in love and will not speake of nothing less than.. fi is great but i dont have the money for it so this way for me is cheaper and if it doesnt make what i want then what the hell i have a great starting point for a high hp fi focus.. so either way i win either cheap way or not i only see myself setting myself up for the future none the less

What SVT's with 210fwhp NA are you speaking of? I dont want to burst your bubble or anything but I think your estiamted numbers after your build are a little off.

http://www.dragtimes.com/2000-Ford-Focus-Dyno-Results-Graphs-9247.html

^^^teh sex....i want it.

http://www.dragtimes.com/2000-Ford-Focus-Dyno-Results-Graphs-9247.html (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragtimes.com%2F2000-Ford-Focus-Dyno-Results-Graphs-9247.html)
Torque peaks at ~3,600 and drops from there, on a NA engine? [scratch]
http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno/9247-2000-Ford-Focus-Dyno.jpg

Kind of a moot point, but the SVTF didn't come out till 2002.
And, what engine is this?? "(euro) 2.0 zetec 20V" <<<5 valves per cylinder?

hmm...i didn't even look at the curves that much. that is a bit strange....

Yes it is a bit strange but then again the profile thigy says its a euro focus 2.0 20v.. so im not positive bout that one but theres more out there just not on drag times

That looks like a 2l turbo zetec dyno. No way will u get 240 ft-lbs out of a 2l NA.
There is 200+ hp svts (CLICK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0X-fCqMRh0&feature=related), CLICK2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN4Hk9J3jbA&feature=related)) out there but you will have to spent more to reach 200+ whp NA then you would have to to get 400 whp FI.
I have a fully built engine from Tom at FOCUS-Power which runs about stock compression, ported head, lightweight forged pistons and rods, lightweight flywheel and stage 2+ spec, basically all the boltons, and mail order tune and i am hoping for around 165 whp when I am going to the dyno sometime soon.

That dyno is "way" off if its true. That is a horrible torque curve, looks more like a diesel. Im chiming in to say, 200 "is" possible, just a matter of money. Mine is in the 185 range at 23xxlbs on the car. Good for 0-60 in 5.3 sec's. If anyone doubts it, find a chart that shows power to weight ratios in general and you'll see that is pretty accurate.

Id love to see upward 190-200whp at 2300-2400 pounds im sure that would be a low 13 second car..
would you mind telling me your mods that led to 185whp and what you had to take off the car to get it to 23xx lbs and how fast is your 1/8th or 1/4 mile which ever you run..?

i have an intake i made with a cone filter box that seals to the hood and a cold air pipe coming from underneath the car, ported tb, orp, hks exhaust, toms tune, and udps i think my car would just break into the 14s if they had a dragstrip that went down hill lol i dont think im anywhere near 170whp

Hmm thats intresting.. ive seen a few guys running a dyno tune with orp and they have put down 165

If you can have that weight and about 160 whp, i think you could break into the 14's. I don't have an svt, but ran a 14.8 w/ 164 whp and gutted interior.

belacyrf 's dyno was impressive with 165whp with cam gear and orp and cai

ken6x6 's dyno was also impressive with 168whp with high flow cat exhaust, sri and tune

I beleive its a matter of the right parts such as sri, cam gear, orp, and one aggresive tune you can pull off 165-170fwhp..

svt 200whp or a little over all motor would be SICK!!!!

it would be, but very expensive and you could probably have SC or turbo

welp theres only one way to find out ill just have to dyno it, im lookn into that cam gear we will see what it makes

Mike, list a few mods, I'd like to know out of curiosity what you have to be at 185fwhp. thats a hefty nuimber.


I have Aluminum Flywheel, Stage 3 Clutch, Pullies, and all solid mounts. Next will be SRI, Cam Gear, ORP, header wrap TB and tune. I wonder what I can hit with all of that? atleast 165.

i would pay mike some money if he provides me with that stuff!!

Yeah Mike hook us up :-D

I have no idea what I'm at myself... once I'm done with everything I'll get it dyno'd. It feels quickish lol... I currently have: steeda sri, 42lb injectors, diablo mafia, turbotom predator tune, borla 2.5" catback, offroad pipe, steeda short throw shifter, rear poly mount, fs throttlebody, fs engine stress bar, maybe some other stuff I can't remember lol. Got lots planned though :-) Maybe some spray and more bolt ons.

double post ftl. sorry.

Yeah Mike hook us up :-D

I have no idea what I'm at myself... once I'm done with everything I'll get it dyno'd. It feels quickish lol... I currently have: steeda sri, 42lb injectors, diablo mafia, turbotom predator tune, borla 2.5" catback, offroad pipe, steeda short throw shifter, rear poly mount, fs throttlebody, fs engine stress bar, maybe some other stuff I can't remember lol. Got lots planned though :-) Maybe some spray and more bolt ons.

Aren't 42 lb'ers a bit much for a N/A combo focus?[dunno]

It does seem like alot.. but then again if you have a stand alone fuel system you can never have to much just not enough and thats never good..

And please mike the next time you see this you got some explaning to do... lol

Hey Mikey..... You got some splainin to do... [;)]

Well I went to the track in fontana,CA and I had my 03 svt all the way stock I ran a honda del sol with full pipe headers intake and v-tech I won but my time was poor because of the track being so wet I burned out for a while then finally took off but I got 16 in the 1/4.

I would imagine there will have to be some head work involved.

Yes, there was head work involved. There have been some statements about being costly. It would be in most cases, but you guys have to remember that i have been building engines all my life and im 41 years old. I have built everything from circle track engines to alcohol funney car engines. Theres nothing to replace experiance. What all i have done is because i do the work myself, and dont have to pay to have it done. I wont share every little secret, no one ever does honestly. You have to keep some things to yourself, wink, wink. But i can tell you that its had the crank knife edged and polished, balanced, port and polished head with port matching to the intake and exhaust. Wrapped headder and orp along with heat coating the oil pan. Thats effective in three ways right there. One small secret that i "have" leaked out is a electronically throttle activated vacuum pump on the crankcase. Designed to activate at 85% throttle, will pull a vacuum on the crankcase when at higher rpms and in effect, letting the engine "breath" easier and freeing up more power instead of building some pressure. Stock SVT airbox with K&N drop in with my ramair system. Also raised the compression a bit. Along with a killer tune from Wayne, she "will" run. If you think about it, all i have done is just make what is a great setup, better, more efficient.

+1 for mike but.. what about some track times with that 185whp 2300lbs car?

I didnt build a drag car, the svt isnt a very good car for that because of the gearing. but if you do the math, 0-60 in 5.3 and find a formula to convert that, i would guess a mid to lower 13 sec car. I built this car to do it all, run, corner, and brake and do it all well. On these tires on a hot day i have seen 1.15g in cornering, and the meter shows 60-0 in 90 feet. This is not a race car, its a great daily driver that will be fun on a autocross course. Now my Honda was more or less for straight line use and was built accordingly, it was 1980 lbs and would run in the 11's.:
here is the honda:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a308/b16sir1991/TRNDLBURN.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a308/b16sir1991/DSC00435.jpg

Sweet honda but even sweeter focus man thats one sick focus.. nice job for an outstanding all round car it seems

145ish i thought

Thanks Colvin, i appreciate that.

Mike you have earned $1.46 (including paypal fees), so wana keep it or wanna speak more and earn the surprice
[dunno]

Mike you have earned $1.46 (including paypal fees), so wana keep it or wanna speak more and earn the surprice
[dunno]

^^^what does this mean[dunno]

I agree, what "does" that mean, lol. Sorry for being retarded, but i dont get it either.

well you gotta read my other post, i said i would pay mike some money if he tells me what to do to my svt so i can achieve that WHP he said...
[nono] gotta read all

Aren't 42 lb'ers a bit much for a N/A combo focus?[dunno]

Haha ya... I was going to go nitrous... had some clutch issues (blew up 2)... and... pretty much gave up on the focus for a couple yrs... lol

So we need to start a "beg Mike for his magic svt focus tricks" thread??? :-O

^^^LOL! That's a good idea.
And, one of these days, Mike needs to post a build thread with full details and pics. [;)]

NOTE
There were quite a few posts about weight reduction in this thread, when the original poster was only looking for engine mods.
Those posts have been moved to the following "in progress" thread:
Gutted Out Svt (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144952)

Haha ya... I was going to go nitrous... had some clutch issues (blew up 2)... and... pretty much gave up on the focus for a couple yrs... lol

Ahhhhhh gotcha. Well, hope you are back on track!

I'm thinking all stock except for an ebay chip and one of those exhaust turbo whistlers will easily get me 250 to the wheels...[hihi]

dont be that guy...

Lol^^^.

dont be that guy...

Please dont i no hungry for rice.. no no [nono]

not that, i meant dont be the [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)] whos just sarcastic and contributes nothing to the thread they felt they needed to post in. intentionally bad information is far worse than ignorance imo.

I just took it as humor... [dunno]

not that, i meant dont be the [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)] whos just sarcastic and contributes nothing to the thread they felt they needed to post in. intentionally bad information is far worse than ignorance imo.


I gotcha but still i thought what i said was funny too lol but yea you must contribute if you post please and thank you
and btw has anyone thats not in the dyno thread had there car dynd and if so what are your mods and you dont have to have a dyno page to prove it id hope your word was good enuf unless you have a bogas number with bolt ons then id say show me but still anyone who knows ther whp post up with mods please and thank you

dont be that guy...

Oh relax, I'm not the guy who pissed in your cheerios

well people on these boarsd are looking for legit answers and you're giving them crap... dont be that guy.

Most people enjoy a little humor here and there, sorry that you don't, don't be the Mr. Crabby Pants guy

lol

http://www.franapples.com/sb/crabbySM.jpg

lol alright this is getting bad. Let's get this back on topic. I'm SOOOO sorry if I offended any of you with my little joke. PROCEED.

Cool im glad to see everyone cleaned the sand out of there vagina's lol jp guys but i along with more people would like 1/8 and or 1/4 mile times on all motor and the mods it took..

^^^If it's 1/8 and 1/4 mile times you seek...
Drag Racing (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=96)
^^^Just search that forum for SVT...you'll find lots of times and threads on the subject.
Here's an example with latest results from just a week ago:
Poll: POLL : 1/4 mile times - SVTF (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79275&highlight=svt)

Heres a good link that makes these calculations easier:
http://www.hotrodpitstop.com/tools.html

I think this will be my next project...buy a eap competition orage svt (sick!!) and try all motor for 200whp or maybe a little more!!

I think this will be my next project...buy a eap competition orage svt (sick!!) and try all motor for 200whp or maybe a little more!!

Thanks [hihi]

lol!...nice car man!! maybe i'll buy it from you a year from now or so!!!haha

Or you "could" by a turbo Comp Orange and already be well over 300whp.........

Or you "could" by a turbo Comp Orange and already be well over 300whp.........

Shameless plug [hah]