I was surfing the web and came across this hydrogen powered kit HYDROGEN KIT (http://svtman2004.centemax.hop.clickbank.net/)Anyone tried running this or a similar kit on their rigs and do you actually notice a difference? I am interested in it for my rigs, especially if you see a torque increase. [race]

sounds too good to be true! and chances are that it is, and that it doesnt work, cuz if it did everyone would have it

Ive been reading quite a bit about it and it sounds to actually work, but I am still skeptical about it at the same time.

i wouldnt do it.. the website alone looks sketchy...

hydrogen power definitly does work but with this setup I cant really see a sustantial increase in milage.

There are a few out there that are doing SERIOUS work trying to get a fully workable setup to the market... but I've never trusted the guys in the link. I'm a "amatuer hydrogen geek"... me and a buddy have been playing around with it some and we are working onb making our own cell... just to see what we can do.

For some GREAT info go to youtube and search for a user named zerofossilfuel he has done some astounding work.

way sketchy. there is no way something this complicated could be dumbed down enough for the everyday driver to install it themselves.

The site linked in the first post isn't selling an actual kit, just a guide. Stay away from that site.

The technology does work. I've seen systems designed for semi trucks. I just don't know how much of an increase in mileage could be seen on a typical 4 cylinder gas engine.

When ever I see someone describe a controlled burn (as the internal combustion engine actually does) as an explosion, I always ask myself if they actually know what they are talking about.

The site linked in the first post isn't selling an actual kit, just a guide. Stay away from that site.

Maybe not directly, but you did read all the way to the bottom, right? Where is has the pricing information and a "order now" button just below the 56 day guarantee (56 days, why not 60 or 90?)


I love the idea of using Brown's Gas to power a car, but i really don't see it taking off or really benefiting besides the money savings. But then what is money vs a lack of water when hundreds of thousands of people start doing this and driving all over because they can do it "free"?
If you read up on the current degradation of the US water tables and aquifers you'll find that there is already risk of our water running out, sooner than oil from what I have read. Now what would happen to that if we started to use water as a fuel for vehicles, the expected run out time would be cut down greatly right?

Like I said I love the idea of "free energy" but the reality of it is there is no such thing. I can use Newton to prove this; Newton's Third Law, the law of reciprocal actions basically states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, in our case with using water as a fuel we would call it a consequence.


The way I see it we can do much more with the current design of the ICE, but you have to improve the thermal efficiency of the engine first. They (who they is I really don't know) generalize and say that the ICE uses about (read: at most) 30% of the heat generated from the combustion process to drive the car. That would mean that there is a 69% window of improvement that can be made (69% because no one has proven that anything can be 100% thermally efficient, adiabatic engine).
Just think what a 15% gain in efficiency could do for a car.

By the sounds of it people have had issues with the hydrogen making the engine get too hot. (I assume because of the leaning of the engine, due to the brown gas going through the intake and the computer cutting the fuel due to the reading of the o2?) Now if you could use the ice idea and a hydrogen generator that has been perfected (which this site claims to be??????) I wonder how much fuel economy you would gain having both?

Again, none. The major flaw in the ICE (acronym for Internal Combustion Engine from here on out) is the thermal efficiency of it. It really doesn't matter the fuel source, your still not going to get the full effect of the heat generated being turned into moving the car. Basically it's just moving from one expensive fuel source to a initially less costly one. The flaws in the engine remain unchanged.
It's not a long term (assessing long term as greater than 10 years) fix by any means, which is where the research should be concentrated on.

One other one you might find interesting is the GEET Engine. I haven't read on it in awhile, watched the video again the other day, but it sounded more promising that most else I had read about. But as "eccentric" as the guy seems, he is written off as a fruit.

Im still wanting to know if anyone has done this on their focus?? But off subject if you were to somehow get the fuel cold enough wouldnt it help in the economy / power increase?

keep in mind if you do a kit like that.. or one of the many on the market (i've been looking into these everywhere from a 30 dollar one to a 2k one..) you will have to reset the ecu, recode the chip, get a O2 cheater, and retune it, not really worth it unless you are planning on having the car for a while and just want to be able to say you have that setup. a buddy of mine bought the plans for it.. you buy the materials and put it together off the plans.. says it costs 40 bux but after pricing it.. it'd be closer to about $500 and would take alot of custom work and a weekend to put it

$500? A buddy of mine bought the plans and spent $60 to build one, he says he gained 4 MPG with it. I dont see why you would need a o2 cheater, I could see having to reset the KAM which is easy to do. And theirs no need to have to retune ECU/ reflash the chip. I am debating on doing it on my SVT but I am trying to figure out the octane rating with it because if I could use that and use 89 plus save fuel id be raking in fuel savings. (Have been told that the HHO gasses increase the octane??)

They are wringing them out, not only they are doing it on websites but there also advertising it on the radio. It is not like I really want to get something like that when I say something on youtube that looks like it doesn't do anything but be unneccessary.

I am trying to figure out how to install one on my focus now but may have to get a different intake to allow for some extra room to install one, Ive been reading and see people say how they don't work and some say it does. My buddy insists he gained 4 MPG when he installed it and a guy at work has been running his lawnmower on just the hydrogen generator (has to use fuel to start then he switched to the HHO gas) It may take me a little while to save up for an intake but I'll let you guys know once I get it all figured out.

Brown's gas is a stoichiometric mixture.

If you have the entry point into the intake manifold (after throttle and air meter) you don't need an O2 cheater.

The air meter will meter the correct amount of fuel for the air that enters the engine thru the throttle/meter (stochiometric) and that will combine with the stochiometric Brown's gas........

To get the most potential of your fuel economy savings you should reset the KAM of the ECU so the computer can relearn the fuel strategy. The o2 cheater is only needed if someone is removing the CAT Converter (all the second o2 sensor does is read the efficiency of the CAT to determin if it's faulty or not. NEVER install a cheater on the front one as engine damage will occur!

My friend did this type of mod on his old ford explorer it gave him boost to around 19 mpg compared to his previous 16 mpg. However for our focus I doubt it would do much since our car engine bay is so small to start with.