Ok folks, here is the moment you've been waiting for.

Ford will be releasing a new "Special Edition" Focus and wanted to get your feedback on the decklid spoiler.

Just an FYI: Ford will be monitoring this thread so please keep your commments polite and constructive. You are also welcomed to suggest an alternative spoiler.

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that actually looks really good. i would like to see 3/4 shot or a picture of the whole car. now remove all the chrome. give it a better stance and some throwback SVT wheels.

I think this is overkill. keep one or the other.
let me put it this way...this is not an airplane

I would say NO. I like the regular spoiler on the trunk.
On the back window, NO.

i think if they toned down the spoiler on the roof, then it would look ok

I like it, even with both of them. its very understated though so I wonder if this will be a style special edition... needs the FRPP suspension and some engine upgrades :D

I don't like the style of it and not sure it flows well with the roof one.

now remove all the chrome. give it a better stance and some throwback SVT wheels.

Just remember this isn't limited to the coupe variant. The Special Edition Focus will use the existing car's design including tail lights and wheels. The only difference is that it will have the two spoilers.

I think if everyone likes the spoiler Ford can probably make it an option on the upcoming '09 coupe as well.

I like the Decklid Spoiler and I like the Roof Mounted Spoiler, just not together. Yea hopefully if its a special edition, itll have some performance and suspension upgrades and a new wheel package. and One spoiler. lol. if so i say huge [thumb]!

No roof spoiler, and lose all the chrome.

if they wanna do two wings...and some people are gonna hate me for this. take after the STI and make the second wing hugeeeeeeeeee. and you guys know im not a ricer...but thats the only way to pull it off.

i say take off both and put just a lip spoilder.

also give it a good suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, good traction control feature instead of cutting fuel, a performance motor, exhaust, and a good looking seat package and ill buy one when they come out. promise.

honestly tho...to everyone thats knocking the chome...i think that this body style pulls it off rather well. i love the brushed look on the front grille of the 09 coupe concept. however the chrome on this car isnt that bad. it kinda provides a realllllly nice contrast to a seemingly larger car...making it seem like a good normal sized vehicle.

if that makes sense

no chrome and only the lower wing........what is this "special edition" gonna have in it or done to it in the engine dept. and not the comestics

what is this "special edition" gonna have in it or done to it in the engine dept. and not the comestics

As of now I believe its just cosmetics.

As of now I believe its just cosmetics.

this makes me angry.

there is no performance 4cyl. yet they wanna compete with honda, toyota, chevy, saturn, and all the other car companies.

it should be just one or the other, the roof spoiler should be a bit smaller kinda just like a lip and it might work well together with the deck lid spoiler.

might look better "as is" in the picks as a differnt color like black or even red

For me its hard to say with out seeing the whole car. I can't just look at the back and say either way. I added chrome edge protectors to my doors. I have a black 2008 SES and the chrome on the doors looks nice.

agreed that there should be a performance increase to the special edition...

something that can keep up with the v6 mustangs, the civic si, etc...

i too would also buy one that was a little quicker, looked better, and had some performance mods already done.

the mini cooper s has a supercharger, putting out 3lbs of boost. i think the focus should get that :)

but along with exterior modifications, i think the special edition should also get upgraded interoir, upgraded sound, etc...

agreed that there should be a performance increase to the special edition...

something that can keep up with the v6 mustangs, the civic si, etc...

i too would also buy one that was a little quicker, looked better, and had some performance mods already done.

the mini cooper s has a supercharger, putting out 3lbs of boost. i think the focus should get that :)

but along with exterior modifications, i think the special edition should also get upgraded interoir, upgraded sound, etc...

exactly.

we dont need much. but the platform youre giving us isnt the best to make power. we're an aftermarket community. we will make it our own, just give us a better platform.

I dont care what any of you say! I reeeeeeeeally like the roof spoiler on the 09 focus! I do like the way the spoilers look together but I would say make the second spoiler larger like bestthaticoulddo said. Not HUGE, but larger.

I also agree with what everyone else is saying about the chrome. Please remove all the chrome

edit: ^^^^^^^^ You're right, it would be nice to see some sort of performance increase in a special edition. Obviously development on such things is costly, but it would be nice.

this makes me angry.

there is no performance 4cyl. yet they wanna compete with honda, toyota, chevy, saturn, and all the other car companies.

i believe they wont go as far as some of the other companies in high performance 4 cylinders because the other companies have the spo com market wrapped up. also i think they rate the sales of these poorly executed special editions now, and think newer models will not sell well. but if they got it right i think they would be a great seller, as performance v8 guys are being forced into four cylinders because of gas prices. they still however want a performance oriented car.most of them prefer to buy American but don't really have an offering to support them. ford has great vehicles across the pond but has seemed to leave their home country behind. be it that some is the consumers fault as we buy anything they offer because we "have" to have a car. if they offered some of these N.A model cars in Europe they would be a joke. as the consumers there seem to be much more critical of their vehicles.

the wings look fine IMO, but I'm not much of a cosmetics guru....just give me a car and I'll make it look how I want


however, a more powerful engine should definitely be added (forced induction possibly??)

i believe they wont go as far as some of the other companies in high performance 4 cylinders because the other companies have the spo com market wrapped up. also i think they rate the sales of these poorly executed special editions now, and think newer models will not sell well. but if they got it right i think they would be a great seller, as performance v8 guys are being forced into four cylinders because of gas prices. they still however want a performance oriented car.most of them prefer to buy American but don't really have an offering to support them. ford has great vehicles across the pond but has seemed to leave their home country behind. be it that some is the consumers fault as we buy anything they offer because we "have" to have a car. if they offered some of these N.A model cars in Europe they would be a joke. as the consumers there seem to be much more critical of their vehicles.

well thats not entirely true. its a different driving culture over there. the base model focus over there i think has a 1.4l. a focus with a 1.4l over here would be laughed off the road. the 2.0l zetec, 2.0l d-tec, and 2.3l d-tec are all great motors with fairly good power that would actually fit in quite well in europe. however i think we need just a bit of tuning. i mean there isn't even a 2.3l d-tec motor option in the 08 or 09 for the foreseeable future.

that is seriously lacking. if i could get a 09 sedan without the top wing. with 4 wheel disc brakes, a 5spd, and a 2.3 that isnt de-tuned. i would buy it in a heart beat. because that is exactly what im looking for. a car i can drive everyday. take the kids to school. look good doing it. then on the weekend find an auto-x event and thrash it. and at the end of the day when i park it in my garage there is a blue oval at both ends of the car.

lately ive been looking for a well priced sedan, i havent found anything that is even on par with the focus for the price. i am going to buy a used one. honestly mostly because of the interior. the 00-04 interior is probably the best for a car under 30k. there arent many cars that have that fit and finish and euro elegance inside a car that the focus does.

there are honestly small things that ford could do that would make me turn and go damn i want one of those. there isnt a car in the ford line-up right now that i would buy new. there just isnt. which sucks because i am blue oval for life. both my soon to be wife and i are. and theres nothing i want from them. outside of the edge, but i drove that and it seemed kinda sluggish and lame. the styling is amazing tho.

sorry for the rant but i mean this is a forum with the free exchange of ideas. and if ford really is monitoring this i think they need to read things like this to understand where we as young car buyers are coming from.

The roof spoiler is a no go but the trunk spoiler needs to be a bit bigger.

I like the roof spoiler, but the trunk one is too out of place.....

Maybe if the trunk spoiler followed the trunk lines and was like a lip that extended off the edge. It needs something to make the 3rd brake light NOT stand out SO much! LOL

Here is my issue with this one and honestly, I really like the front of this generation of foci, but I have to say the rear end needs some work. Adding decklid spoiler works well on cars with corners, in other words, a boxier car. Having a squarish decklid (with a little curve) and really curvy spoiler doesn't work for me at all. Sorry, but for me...this is a failure.

Remove it please. It doesn't 'flow' well with the rest of the car. I also agree on making the truck spoiler a tad bigger.

I agree with besthaticouldo. If you were to put two wings on it, The latter should go BIG.

But like it is is completely acceptable, and I think it looks great.

well thats not entirely true. its a different driving culture over there. the base model focus over there i think has a 1.4l. a focus with a 1.4l over here would be laughed off the road. the 2.0l zetec, 2.0l d-tec, and 2.3l d-tec are all great motors with fairly good power that would actually fit in quite well in europe. however i think we need just a bit of tuning. i mean there isn't even a 2.3l d-tec motor option in the 08 or 09 for the foreseeable future.

that is seriously lacking. if i could get a 09 sedan without the top wing. with 4 wheel disc brakes, a 5spd, and a 2.3 that isnt de-tuned. i would buy it in a heart beat. because that is exactly what im looking for. a car i can drive everyday. take the kids to school. look good doing it. then on the weekend find an auto-x event and thrash it. and at the end of the day when i park it in my garage there is a blue oval at both ends of the car.

lately ive been looking for a well priced sedan, i havent found anything that is even on par with the focus for the price. i am going to buy a used one. honestly mostly because of the interior. the 00-04 interior is probably the best for a car under 30k. there arent many cars that have that fit and finish and euro elegance inside a car that the focus does.

there are honestly small things that ford could do that would make me turn and go damn i want one of those. there isnt a car in the ford line-up right now that i would buy new. there just isnt. which sucks because i am blue oval for life. both my soon to be wife and i are. and theres nothing i want from them. outside of the edge, but i drove that and it seemed kinda sluggish and lame. the styling is amazing tho.

sorry for the rant but i mean this is a forum with the free exchange of ideas. and if ford really is monitoring this i think they need to read things like this to understand where we as young car buyers are coming from.


I didn't mean the focus specifically. the point i was trying to make is just that we don't have any where near the options for a ford vehicle as they do elsewhere. not just from a performance standpoint. i think the general car buying population as a whole gets caught up in names more than the actual car. i would love that car too but you know a car that fits that? euro st[?|] lol give TOP GEAR a 00-07 us focus and a 08+us focus and see what happens

i will say this though, their in the right direction.

i think a little suspension work(stiffer, lower) and some nice wheels, maybe a little more power, nicer interior(recaro seats? or just heated leather), and it would be close to dead on.

yeah, rear spoiler is lacking here in that it does not flow well with the top of the car...looks like it'd be more aerodynamic without it! Why don't you guys try a vein spoiler like the MY06-MY07 STI? The top spoiler across the top of the rear window. besthaticouldo is probably right in that either way, if going with both, a larger (maybe as tall as the SAP) spoiler would be best.

As for the tangent going on in here, I completely agree! Please don't leave an SE version to just looks. The focus is already getting a bad wrap with just being a "looks" car. Please, let it be more than just an additional spoiler and maybe some color matching...!

One or the other, but not both. The trunk spoiler looks weird to me. It either needs to be bigger or smaller.

Can we get more pics of the car? Its hard for me to decide with such a limited view.

As of now I believe its just cosmetics.


FORD! IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A CAR THAT WILL COMPETE WITH THE OTHER CAR MANUFACTURERS GIVE US A REASON TO BUY THE CAR!!

Cosmetics alone aren't going to cut it. Right now regardless of how many spoilers are on the car... how aggressive of a body kit is on the car. People will just say "oh, it's just a 136hp focus".

Why not just utilize europes turbo 2.5L (volvo motor) and then do whatever you want with the body... Hell, go wild with spoilers... as long as there is power to back up the rediculous looks who cares! LOL!! I'll buy one!

I'm just tired of sticking up for ford and my 02' ZX3 is pushing 115,000 miles... I need a new car!

So FORD!!! For the love of god!! Help me, Help you and build ME (and the rest of the site!) THE car we really want! One with 200hp+, No Chrome and that blow off sound we can hear between each shift!!

As far as overall design... Think like you did with the Bullit Mustang... No nonsense, Just business!

As far as overall design... Think like you did with the Bullit Mustang... No nonsense, Just business!

ok im sorry but i must comment here...

there is nothing different then a gt then a bullitt. its the same car. same motor. just dressed up. you tell them to make a change and then use a very bad example of change.

seriously all i want is at least 170whp.

we dont need massive power. 200whp isnt needed...

^^^
Very good point your thinking reasonable, 170hp is a great platform for those who enjoy playing with the car to start with. Also not a outragious demand like 250-300hp stock. [thumb]


Honestly I belive the single roof spoiler looks pretty good in person, and at the same time I like the single trunk spoiler in person aswell. I belive you should definatly make it an option as to which spoiler to put on, let the consumer choose if they want both or one or the other. As long as it is actually cost effective to go that rout I think your bound to sell more that way, I'm sure you know how one small detail can turn a buyer away.

Jon

Without getting too off-topic here. Remember the original question was about the Special Edition spoilers and not about why we aren't getting a high performance Focus. So please keep it on topic.

To answer everyone's questions. Yes Ford is absolutely aware that enthusiasts want performance and Sam has addressed this question and more at FocusFest '08. Bottom line is its not going to happen due to fuel efficiency reasons and for lack of better words sales volume.

The best they can do at this moment is offer the 140hp version in the upcoming '09 Coupe. Remember folks, the European version is not that far off.

Remember folks, the European version is not that far off.

a dumbed down version.

this thread makes me angry [mad]

special edition focus?

lose the wings and give it huge power (maybe one of those Ecoboost engines).

but if i had to choose i prefer the roof spoilers, it more unique than the decklid.

i like it with just either or...


unless....

two words - VORTEX GENERATOR !!! (hehe)

if that is too much... give it a shark fin antennae that's functional.

I think it looks great. It really helps continue the flow from the roof-line on back. I've always loved deck spoilers like that though, and I like it on this application because it reminds me of a "Euro" look.

Since I'm really considering getting an 09, I personally love it... It looks great.

I wouldn't understand why they need two?

I think it looks good small like it is, since the window/roof one is larger

I think the 2 spoilers wouldn't be bad, if they were functional. Make the car fast enough to need spoilers, then add spoilers. Otherwise, no thank you.

hmm.....special edition needs something...SPECIAL. I like the idea of trying to set it apart with a unique look. The window trim looks kinda shoddy to me....I say either make it a different color, or add more of a slight tint to windows.... and not that it is my taste or everyone's but why not offer a different upgrade package like the EAP for svt... maybe a carbon fiber option for the spoilers (just an idea, don't attack me, some people like)....Definately not my taste for the rims...i like more of a euro look. Is there anyway to make that decklid spoiler more seamless??? I think that is a large reason why many people do not like it, looks too much like it was an afterthought. Shorty antennae would look much better too[8D] . Oh, and the STI style spoiler isn't such a bad idea, but I hate copy cats, would have to be toned down a bit. I'll give Ford credit for trying something different though!

Oh, and the STI style spoiler isn't such a bad idea, but I hate copy cats, would have to be toned down a bit.

You mean like the SAP spoiler on the 06-07 sedans?
I personally think it should either be one or the other

I like both spoilers, but I like the roof spoiler best.

At first glance, I don't like the roof spoiler with the deck spoiler. However, the more I look at it, I begin to like it more. I think it would be better if the roof spoiler flowed with the lines of the roof more, kinda like some of the spoilers for honda hatches (forgive the honda reference and lack of picture). But, since it is not functional, it should accent the body lines and not stick upwards.

i think one or the other, but not both at the same time

I think it looks great with both spoilers.

I like both spoilers how they are. If a change was to be made to either I would hope for a slightly larger rear but keep the roof. I don't wanna look like a Honda, or a lancer thanks.

Thanks to everyone who is keeping this on topic as well. With Ford monitoring this you would think we just give them the feed back they ask for people. Why would anyone from Ford want to sift through pages of non topic related issues? They only asked about the spoiler and we should be thankful they are even asking us. Maybe they will post a performance related thread with a poll for the rest of these comments to be moved to.

If they don't we can make one. Give it a pick three out 10 choices type deal. Suspension, ecu programing, engine options, interior, exterior, etc.

As polite as I can, neither of the wings look good especially the top of the window.
Not a fan.

To address the main question.....
I say go for it! This is what "Special Edition" means
but.......this is coming from a ST S.A.P. owner who looks for special addition goodies like that when buying cars.

In addition.....
Speaking of spoilers I would like to see the low rear trunk spoiler (if it has to stay) a little bit larger so that a bit more is over the trunk lid and a bit further out from the trunk lid.
And possiably a double deck.

something like this.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Automotivefever/focispoiler.jpg

Auto, that looks amazing! Great idea.

I like the roof spoiler. As for the deck spoiler, maybe raise it a 1/2 inch or so and move it farther to the rear. Also maybe give the spoiler a slight curve upward at the back of the spoiler. Like 1/8 inch tall and only the last inch or so.

i like what auto did with the deck spoiler. in my opinion though, one or the other, not both. it isnt a sti.

Ok. First off if Sam is watching this thread, what's up? I'm the guy that had the Screaming Yellow SVT at the show.

Now back onto topic. I don't like it. I'm sorry but to me it looks like I'm looking at the front end of a train. Like Thomas the tank engine or some euro train. Stare at the back window in the pic and see if you see what I mean lol ;) I like the roof one on the top but the decklid spoiler just doesn't flow...sorry but that's my opinion. The trunk on this car isn't big enough to warrant a wing...unless it was smaller and looked more like the Mazda 6 version. (or is it the 3 version I'm thinking of?). By itself it would prolly look ok but if you wanna do 2 together make it a bit smaller.

I still say make the roof spoiler look more like it was designed to be on the focus, not as an afterthought add-on... it just looks so stuck-on to me. Just my .02

I like the roof spoiler by itself, but I'm not digging the deck lid spoiler at all. Together, the two spoilers don't flow very well (Aesthetically speaking of course).

I think the roof spoiler along with a deck lid spoiler similar to what is found on an M3 would look great.
http://www.bosseuroparts.com/BMW%203%20series%20body%20styling/BMW%20E46%20coupe%20trunk%20spoiler.jpg

^^^^^^ Bingo...that's what I was talkin about.

To address the main question.....

something like this.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Automotivefever/focispoiler.jpg


[thumb][thumb] Now I like the combo better. It's sportier, new (doesn't look like old ZTS stock), and looks like it would do more to complement the aerodynamics. Great idea Auto!!! You shall have rep sir!!

I might even X3 this ^^^[cheers] [clap]

Honestly no. It's one spoiler too many. It just doesn't flow right with the car in my opinion. Maybe as a Special Edition, Ford should try and maybe do a package like the SAP with different front. Or do a Suspension package with something like the 5 spoke SVT rims or even do a turbo which would be pretty cool. Adding a second wing is not really a "Special" feature I see fit for a special edition, it just doesn't flow right in my opinion.

To address the main question.....
I say go for it! This is what "Special Edition" means
but.......this is coming from a ST S.A.P. owner who looks for special addition goodies like that when buying cars.

In addition.....
Speaking of spoilers I would like to see the low rear trunk spoiler (if it has to stay) a little bit larger so that a bit more is over the trunk lid and a bit further out from the trunk lid.
And possiably a double deck.

something like this.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Automotivefever/focispoiler.jpg

Greg I really like this, X4 on this one.

[thumb][thumb] Now I like the combo better. It's sportier, new (doesn't look like old ZTS stock), and looks like it would do more to complement the aerodynamics. Great idea Auto!!! You shall have rep sir!!

Greg I really like this, X4 on this one.

Thanks![thumb]
I always thought the old one looked a tad small and out of place.
Something like this might add not just a better fitting look to the overall design but some function as well. And it couldnt cost ford all that much to create.

Think (for the two) done in Carbon Fiber (as an option if it works with the color of the car) now that would be a nice addon and a sexy sporty look too!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Automotivefever/focispoilerCFcopy.jpg

Now back on topic lol
still yes on the top spoiler

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Greg I really like this, X4 on this one.

^^I like it [thumb]

^X 5 for me as well. That's just perfect.

Greg I really like this, X4 on this one.

x6 Great job Greg. The original for Ford is nice too, but something around the lines of what you slapped on is a real nice addition.[thumb] [thumb]

You jacked my carbon fiber idea you thief!! lol

if they did go with the carbon fiber option, they would have to do something cool like cf door handles, or cf antennae mount, and just imagine if that trim around the rear window (i earlier mentioned I thought it looked out of place) was cf.....yea..

Think (for the two) done in Carbon Fiber
.

NO

[slap] Now you're being silly. I'm going to have to hit you upside the head with one of my faux carbon fiber taped up side bumpers.

it's a matter of opinion

A pointless exercise, total abortion of an old and tired vehicle, period! Not the roof spoiler, this isn't a high end car. The trunk spoiler is just tacked on and doesn't compliment anything. Please FoMoCo, just stop playing with this car and retire it, bury it and bring in a fresh and vibrant threat to all other compact vehicles out there. Its ugly and ill conceived, just to squeeze 2 more model years out of it. You want to be a player once again? Do the right thing, introduce the "other" 2008 Focus we all want. You bring it on, it will sell!

i dont want anything less then a us spec focus rs or a st.. turbo hatch please ford.. ill love you forever

^^^I'm pretty sure you just single-handedly convinced Ford

i would like to see he escort rs wing on this.

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos2/ford.escort.rs.cosworth3.jpg

NO

[slap] Now you're being silly. I'm going to have to hit you upside the head with one of my faux carbon fiber taped up side bumpers.



LMAO
sorry that is as close as I can come to simulating CF
looking at it now it does look like that faux CF tape lol

cdnfocus, all of the questions you asked about changing the platform or bringing other vehciles over I thought were addressed at FF08?
Re-tooling the line which was done recently for a car that MIGHT SELL to slim market is not feasable when in two years from now they are already leaking info about the focus gt. Changing the line is in the works just not for another two years. I have a lot of family that work on the line. I knew about the line change before a lot of people.

Repeating this is just beating a dead horse for the next two years.

HOWEVER

as far as your input on the spoilers combo goes it is greatly appreciated as I got a brief chance to speak with you at FF, and you seem to know the cars very well.
What do you think they should do with the spoiler, get rid of it? Chnage it? Top, bottom, both?

Is there are euro style wing they have that could be presented? Or maybe sopmething from another Ford based model of vehicle?

i would like to see he escort rs wing on this.

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos2/ford.escort.rs.cosworth3.jpg


can you find another pic or two for a better example

And you wonder why the N.A. market is like it is! No diesel options either, although 2 Duratorq's are readily available and sell in great numbers, over seas. Has to be one of the ugliest vehicles out there right now. My 99 Taurus has a prettier face on her!!!!!!!Kind of!

Squilly B - sorry mate!
I think we all know that better vehicles/models/options do exsist elsewhere and I have always loved the Ford brand and yes I did buy my sedan knowing quality isn't the same. That I know.

In answer to your question about the spoilers, I feel as a lot of you feel that a spoiler or 3 doesn't cut it really. Sell the ST or SES and offer these spoilers as "Ford RS Accessory" items. Any engine upgrade displacement/turbo , Recaro trim and a sexy 3 spoke steering wheel and no chrome makes it a special edition.

If they want to do 2 wings they need to just go for broke. Whoops, someone already posted that image. Try this one, Billy. [hihi]
http://www.streetdragster.com/Pictures/Cars/Escort%20Cosworth/Als_Cosworth_002.jpg


But realistically, I like Auto's a lot.

^^^^THAT'S IT!! that's what ford NEEDS to put on the Focus....definite rep points for that lol

I like Ford's original pic better than Auto's widebody. It catches the eye well enough while still looking classy. My $.02.

I'm gonna say no to the wing. The car already has too much going on with all the chrome pieces. And also i think Ford should make a more sporty model, maybe with a turbo and suspension package, racing seats, and all that jazz. But this is my opinion, and I LOVE my 06!!

Maybe make the 2.3 and get rid of the Mani-Cat so we can LEGALLY turbo it!!
Base plateform with high power tuning potential

is the spoiler the only thing that makes the "special edition" special ?

is the spoiler the only thing that makes the "special edition" special ?

As of now yes. Once I find out more, I'll keep everyone posted.

Without getting too off-topic here. Remember the original question was about the Special Edition spoilers and not about why we aren't getting a high performance Focus. So please keep it on topic.

To answer everyone's questions. Yes Ford is absolutely aware that enthusiasts want performance and Sam has addressed this question and more at FocusFest '08. Bottom line is its not going to happen due to fuel efficiency reasons and for lack of better words sales volume.

The best they can do at this moment is offer the 140hp version in the upcoming '09 Coupe. Remember folks, the European version is not that far off.

Yes, the deck lid spoiler is sweet.

Now with that said, I also have to put my 2 cents here. With Ford actually monitoring this thread, whos going to get a second chance...lol

I have to say that is absolutly rediculous! Almost 9 years and nothing for the enthusiests except an SVT??? I mean come on, Mazda is already one up with the Mazdaspeed3 and Ford owns part of that company. Why can't we have a NEW Focus with the Turbo Duratec and call it the "Sport Edition"??? Continue to make the econo boxes at 35 MPG since that's the "money maker" with the new spoiler and make one for the enthusiests who want something with more show AND go. It really disappoints me to see something like this. That's all we get. A spoiler? Woohoo, I'm gonna buy an 09' now [rolleyes]. I would trade my Focus in RIGHT now for an 09' if it was throwing down the power of a Mazda [;)].

Again, my 2 cents and now continue with the "New and IMPROVED" Focus spoiler thread [thumb]

Sorry Tom, had to be said. Delete it if you want, it's off my chest.

Not a big fan of the spoiler. Looks like the sedan Focus trying to go hatchback focus again. Always liked em on the Zx3 and the like but looks out of place on a sedan.

As of now yes. Once I find out more, I'll keep everyone posted.

concidering thier target audience go for it. i know alot of us including myself think "bad words" about it not bieng more "performance oriented" but believe it or not we the enthusiast are not thier target audience. they are appealing to the average joe that wants an economical vehicle that has "sport styling". unfortunately we are outnumbered by these kind of folks. thats why the SVT was limited production. at least we have a choice to where our money goes to.

i agree i care more about performance then a stupid spoiler

Again, my 2 cents and now continue with the "New and IMPROVED" Focus spoiler thread [thumb]

Travis, I thought you said two cents, all I'm seeing is two Frito Chips?[|)]

If you read a couple of posts up I've already answered with a quote from what Sam stated at FocusFest. Its all about volume and being able to sell cars. Up until now gas has been fairly cheap and the demand for a high performance compact car just isn't there. People wanted cheap compact cars and nothing more.

Now that the market is shifting more towards our side of the spectrum. Ford is definitely "refocusing" more attention towards the compact and sub-compact market. I personally think within the next few years we're going to be seeing a lot of exciting products from Ford. I for one am going to be purchasing a Fiesta when it comes out.

Yes, the deck lid spoiler is sweet.

Now with that said, I also have to put my 2 cents here. With Ford actually monitoring this thread, whos going to get a second chance...lol

I have to say that is absolutly rediculous! Almost 9 years and nothing for the enthusiests except an SVT??? I mean come on, Mazda is already one up with the Mazdaspeed3 and Ford owns part of that company. Why can't we have a NEW Focus with the Turbo Duratec and call it the "Sport Edition"??? Continue to make the econo boxes at 35 MPG since that's the "money maker" with the new spoiler and make one for the enthusiests who want something with more show AND go. It really disappoints me to see something like this. That's all we get. A spoiler? Woohoo, I'm gonna buy an 09' now [rolleyes]. I would trade my Focus in RIGHT now for an 09' if it was throwing down the power of a Mazda [;)].

Again, my 2 cents and now continue with the "New and IMPROVED" Focus spoiler thread [thumb]

Sorry Tom, had to be said. Delete it if you want, it's off my chest.



Believe it or not the reasoning is not that the focus is the money maker but the Trucks (F series, expedition) if they made the focus more powerful that would drop the lineups overall fuel economy. correct me of i am wrong but every manufacturer has to fall under a certain fuel eceonomy rating for thier entire lineup correct?

but believe it or not we the enthusiast are not thier target audience.

Exactly. However with the new blood such as Sam De La Garza on board at Ford we can at least say someone is listening.

I can't say the same thing for other car brands, but I feel very honored to have a brand manager from a big company such as Ford asking for our feedback.

Exactly. However with the new blood such as Sam De La Garza on board at Ford we can at least say someone is listening.

I can't say the same thing for other car brands, but I feel very honored to have a brand manager from a big company such as Ford asking for our feedback.

no doubt. i think that it could mean big things for the future but for now it is what it is and i understand... everyone is feeling the squeeze from this gas thing...

If ford is listening i will say this.... get those hydrogen focuses into production alrady then throw the spoiler on it [:D]

Lip Spoiler....not the standard sized spoiler....

Travis, I thought you said two cents, all I'm seeing is two Frito Chips?[|)]

If you read a couple of posts up I've already answered with a quote from what Sam stated at FocusFest. Its all about volume and being able to sell cars. Up until now gas has been fairly cheap and the demand for a high performance compact car just isn't there. People wanted cheap compact cars and nothing more.

Now that the market is shifting more towards our side of the spectrum. Ford is definitely "refocusing" more attention towards the compact and sub-compact market. I personally think within the next few years we're going to be seeing a lot of exciting products from Ford. I for one am going to be purchasing a Fiesta when it comes out.

You had to go and bring chips into this [chair] [:p]

I guess I missed those posts, but still, a lil late to the party don't you think??? The market has been in sport compacts for well over 10 years (and then some) now and had a HUGE HUGE HUGE boom when Fast and the Furious came out. Ford could have jumped on the band wagon back then, but all that happend is the SVT. Don't get me wrong, the SVT was a great choice, but not the greatest thing they could have done. Now they have a chance with a new slate and produce something that'll blow everyone else out of the water, but they'll sit on it........again

Believe it or not the reasoning is not that the focus is the money maker but the Trucks (F series, expedition) if they made the focus more powerful that would drop the lineups overall fuel economy. correct me of i am wrong but every manufacturer has to fall under a certain fuel eceonomy rating for thier entire lineup correct?

Right, but if you look at other companies and their line ups, they have the economy class versions and then the sport versions of the same vehicle. How does that make this theory of overall fuel economy work?

Not to keep bringing them up, but Mazda (again) is a good example. Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5, etc. and their counterparts all "Mazdaspeed" with turbo add ons, styling, handling, etc. Why can't Ford do that??? The Focus and the FocuspeedZX3...lol

I swear, I'm not playing devils advocate with this. In a way it is staying on topic. I am voicing my opinion that the deck lid shouldn't be JUST it. Just makes me mad that all the spending for research and development and that's all they come up with [rofl].

Idk, I guess I could get used to it, but its not a hatchback, so I don't think they're should be a roof spoiler at all. The decklid one looks alright, I've been more into lip spoilers lately though. If Ford could create a lip spoiler that fits the mold of the focus that would be sick. Like actually make it more then just a stuck on lip, but something that looks like it was part of the main design of the car.

Keep us updated as usual Tom.

And if no lip spoiler, then I agree the trunk one needs to be a tad bigger, but I also think it should stick out alittle bit more...but not like a whale tale, the spoiler should be raised up a bit, so that the distance between the two spoilers is smooth, and not like a sudden drop...it needs to flow.

TRAV,

Because other companies dont sell Trucks like ford. all car companies that sell in the us have to meet a certain fuel economy for the entire fleet (think of it like a EPA sticker for fords entire fleet of cars) all of fords major sellers are TRUCKS. so the rest of the lineup has to be more fuel economical since the trucks take up most of fleets fuel economy budget. mazda,honda,nissan,ext,ext dont have a large lineup of trucks so they can more evenly distribute the fuel economy budget in thier lineup.

Bottom line is that we get screwed because some texan needs a F350 so he does not feel like a outcast.

Ok, people keep going off topic, so I posted THIS (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2224115#post2224115)

Now back on topic. I like this one by auto, but it needs to sit a like an inch higher off the trunk. I don't care too much for the one over the window, but it's ok


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Automotivefever/focispoiler.jpg

change the tail lights/whole back end

^^they already changes the rear end...I think the spoiler needs to wrap over the edges like the older ones did on the deck lid, and as for the roof idk, I liked it on the 09 that was at ff when it was by itself, but with the deck lid i just don't know...

I like the roof spoiler by itself, but I'm not digging the deck lid spoiler at all. Together, the two spoilers don't flow very well (Aesthetically speaking of course).

I think the roof spoiler along with a deck lid spoiler similar to what is found on an M3 would look great.
http://www.bosseuroparts.com/BMW%203%20series%20body%20styling/BMW%20E46%20coupe%20trunk%20spoiler.jpg

Can anyone photoshop a spoiler like this one ^^^ onto the blue Focus?

As an owner of the 2008, I like the dual spoiler option. I think it might look better with a taller rear spoiler like the RK Sport styling of their SEMA Focus.

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I actually like the Ford version of the rear window spoiler better than the RK Sport one, mainly because it appears wider and I think would work better with the taller trunk spoiler.

I'm not feeling it. Just doesn't seem right.

Crazy idea. Could someone photoshop for me a 09 Focus with a Cosworth Escort style wing?

I think it looks pretty good

I like the roof spoiler by itself, but I'm not digging the deck lid spoiler at all. Together, the two spoilers don't flow very well (Aesthetically speaking of course).

I think the roof spoiler along with a deck lid spoiler similar to what is found on an M3 would look great.
http://www.bosseuroparts.com/BMW%203%20series%20body%20styling/BMW%20E46%20coupe%20trunk%20spoiler.jpg

Right on, maybe slightly slimmer in looks but def would match up better with a more flowy top spoiler.

I absolutely detest the upper window/roof spoiler...

This car ISNT a hatch, spoilers dont go on the ROOF guys!!!

Keep the spoiler on the trunk... what would be a lot better is a little bit of a higher spoiler like on the ST or something...

I also think the special edition should have some performance upgrades... maybe a bigger exhaust and like the svt suspension or something... i wouldnt consider buying if it was just cosmetic stuff!!!

Do the right thing, introduce the "other" 2008 Focus we all want. You bring it on, it will sell!

I believe this to be the truth... if Ford brought the new focus, and offered 3 models including the ST (We wont even get into the RS at this point...) I think you would have people who never even considered ford taking a long hard look at it. Of course they would have to not do something stupid like overprice them, in such a fasion as say.... Honda [target]

Trunk spoiler, OK. Roof spoiler, no. Roof spoilers only look good on HATCHBACKS, (hint...hint), and look the best on 3 DOOR HATCHES, (bigger hint).

Now, can you send me an SAP spoiler for my participation and my 31 year loyalty to Ford vehicles???[grinking]

Right on, maybe slightly slimmer in looks but def would match up better with a more flowy top spoiler.

I agree with this a slim trunk edge mounted spoiler would look great, not sure about the roof line spoiler..I agree that they look best on a hatch.

I don't like the chrome that ford keeps putting on all there vehicles. I think it would look alot better if it was painted to match.

Ya the trunk spoiler needs to be taller (more sporty looking), the top spoiler needs to come off, and please get rid of all the cheap looking chrome... some sort of bumper lips would be nice also...

TRAV,

Because other companies dont sell Trucks like ford. all car companies that sell in the us have to meet a certain fuel economy for the entire fleet (think of it like a EPA sticker for fords entire fleet of cars) all of fords major sellers are TRUCKS. so the rest of the lineup has to be more fuel economical since the trucks take up most of fleets fuel economy budget. mazda,honda,nissan,ext,ext dont have a large lineup of trucks so they can more evenly distribute the fuel economy budget in thier lineup.

Bottom line is that we get screwed because some texan needs a F350 so he does not feel like a outcast.


Still doesn't make sense:

Chevy-Large truck seller. HORRIBLE gas milage. They also have the Cobalt and the S/C'd Cobalt SS. They also have in thier line up a slew of other gas gussling vehicles. Do they have a larger EPA or whatever rating than Ford?[dunno]

Also, I would like to know why Sam hasn't chimed in with an answer for the people who "weren't" at FF08'??? Since it looks like the majority here have a problem with power issues on the new and old cars, why can't they give us a solid answer on why with some numbers on the issue? They keep tiptoeing around it. The whole economy thing is BS I think. [shameful]

i think the the spoilers look fine, if it wasn't on chrome. and was only on the coupe. i need to see the whole car to see what the final overall look is.

and along with everyone else, it needs upgrades all over the car engine, body, interior, if its a "special edition"

also another idea, svt.

i love how ford wants our input about a damn spoiler but doesn't wanna hear what we really want in a car. stupid. another reason i will look elsewhere to buy a new car.

If you had billions of dollars to manage the production line, would you even spend time reading any of these posts? I think no. You would make a bad ass GT edition of the focus with sick power and handling.













AND then you'd be broke not making shit. yay!! Ford is already releasing the ecoboost in less then three years guys, seriously your gonna cry until then, the whole time? COmpare tags on a spd3 to a focus, not even close. They would release a bad ass and none of you would buy it cause it only has 200 WHP and the tag is for 20K+. I have never heard such redundent replies in a thread. Jump on me if you want but those of you screaming I wont buy another one, don't, just shut up as to why not already. Do you think the guy with the money is reading these, no its Sam or an assistant. Do you think they are going to sift through all these tears, nope. Its a market survey about a single topic, the appearence. Maybe if we all responded to just that like mature adults they would open a thread in regards to performance. That will never happen with the tissue convention going on in here though.


I apoplogize for the rant FoMoCO but this is just getting stupid in here. Tom you want me to temp mod this thread, I'll do it. spoiler comment or its deleted, plain and simple.

Wow bold. What a big move! I wonder how much more this special edition will cost. Anyways I don't like two spoilers. Since you're reading this Ford, how about bringing us competition for the Cobalt Turbo?

and trav you live down the street, how many un-modded foci do you see being driven by older folk, hundreds, everywhere. do the math guys, we are a tiny percentage of the buying funnel, tiny!!
we have like 55,000 members right? Thats 1 MONTH OF THE LINE!!!!!!! 50,000 units in a month for the modders, oh yay!!! Now what do we make for the next eleven months!?!



USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE!!!!

i would gladly pay 7-8k more for a car that has some power to back it up.

what was the price of the svt...18-19k when they first came out. and people bought those like crazy. the price of the 200 hp Si is 22k out the door.

so for you to think that oh because its more we wont buy it because we are poor focus owners is really stupid and narrow minded. ya 3 years...what about within the next year or two. and are they even gonna put the ecoboost in a focus or economy car. doubtful. because ford has simply decided to abandon this segment.

the 08 focus is a joke. no offense. you dont even give us 4 wheel discs for god sakes why should we stake more claim in a car company that clearly doesnt care about this segment of the car buying industry.

they only made roughly 4k SVTs a year, and they sold for under 20k, so if you think that no one will buy it your out of your mind when a regular 08 is 12k. so for 7-8k more youre getting a whole lot more. they had to spend millions retooling machines to make the 08 they should have made the changes then. yes focus sales are through the roof, but that is an offshoot of the gas price crisis. not because its simply a better car then everything else on the market, its simply because people cannot afford to drive a mustang or the like everyday.

just because it gets good gas mileage doesnt mean it should be a gutless dog. you cant even give us a car that runs 0-60 in low 7s and does 14s in the 1/4 mile. that is embarrassing going to the drag strip with an svt and barely being able to break 14s. embarrassing.

im done with this crap. this thread is pissing me. ford make me something i wanna buy.

and trav you live down the street, how many un-modded foci do you see being driven by older folk, hundreds, everywhere. do the math guys, we are a tiny percentage of the buying funnel, tiny!!
we have like 55,000 members right? Thats 1 MONTH OF THE LINE!!!!!!! 50,000 units in a month for the modders, oh yay!!! Now what do we make for the next eleven months!?!



USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE!!!!

there were roughly 12k svts made over 3 years. 55k people can afford 12k cars. so even if it was people that JUST BOUGHT OFF this forum...they would sell every single one...use your head.

Serious note:not diggin the roof spoiler i like the decklid.

Semi Serious : maybe there should be more ford racing support for the focus

Not serious note: they should add a flux capacitor

SVT's were a limited run focus where they not or do the build #'s mean nothing to you owners?

"they had to spend millions retooling machines to make the 08 they should have made the changes then. yes focus sales are through the roof, but that is an offshoot of the gas price crisis. not because its simply a better car then everything else on the market, its simply because people cannot afford to drive a mustang or the like everyday."

well put ^^ what do you think they are doing to the line as of now? Got any friends up in flint or wayne you can ask, cause I do?

myspace screen shot:

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa18/squillyb/linechange.jpg

top right post. I have over 30 friends that work in that plant not counting family ( 12) !!!

If they sell the gas saver focus for the next two years they will have more money to deliver a proper GT focus in 2010.

And my estimate of the 50,000 all buying one is a joke, go through and count how many people (not responses) are on this thread showing interest at all. 30 maybe 40 tops?! Yeha that would convince me to make a special car for just you people, LMAO!!

SVT's were a limited run focus where they not or do the build #'s mean nothing to you owners?

"they had to spend millions retooling machines to make the 08 they should have made the changes then. yes focus sales are through the roof, but that is an offshoot of the gas price crisis. not because its simply a better car then everything else on the market, its simply because people cannot afford to drive a mustang or the like everyday."

well put ^^ what do you think they are doing to the line as of now? Got any friends up in flint or wayne you can ask, cause I do?

If they sell the gas saver focus for the next two years they will have more money to deliver a proper GT focus in 2010.

And my estimate of the 50,000 all buying one is a joke, go through and count how many people (not responses) are on this thread showing interest at all. 30 maybe 40 tops?! Yeha that would convince me to make a special car for just you people, LMAO!!

oh dude im not saying all 50k will buy a car dude. lol gimme a break. im not a retard.

they were a limited. im not asking ford to release something that is an actual full run vehicle. but an svt limited run would be fine by me. like if they made 10k of them i would buy one faster then you can say ford.

i do actually have friends and family in flint that work for ford...not 30 lol. but 2 a few cousins actually.

honestly i just want something with more performance vs value.

i get what youre saying about the people being about to buy a peformance version in 2010...but a LOT of people dont buy a new car everything year or two. usually its every 3. personally thats how long i will keep my focus and my next one. i love ford. i just think its a travesty how they treat the sport compact community in the US. [:(]

i meant no offense billy. i sent you a pm btw.

we're cool. Its a heated topic I know. We are in fact talking about spending 20K of our money.




all smiles here. I know whats happening up in Wayne on the line and on the desks in Flint, we'll all be happy soon enough.

we're cool. Its a heated topic I know. We are in fact talking about spending 20K of our money.




all smiles here. I know whats happening up in Wayne on the line and on the desks in Flint, we'll all be happy soon enough.

we better be. or im buying a yugo [woot][wiggle]

got one for you, http://hometown.aol.com/daveyugo/UNDERDOG.html

I know Dave, he lives down the street.

This might be the wrong thread to ask this question but....What is up with a GT version of the Focus? I've seen it mention a few times already.

aaaahhhhh the GT focus, can't wait.

[offtopic] I agree that it would be nice to have a built Focus off the floor, but it would probably cost 25k+ and how many do you think they would sell a few thousand. Would you rather spend 25k on something you only get to pick the color, trim, etc.; or would you rather spend 6k -18k drop a few more thousand into and have a beast. I'm not shutting nobody down, but I would rather it wind up being what I want without having to buy it new then spend a ton making it mine.

Ford was nice enough to ask about a spolier, and we are all trying to tell them how to build the car. If you want to argue on how they should build it I'd say start a thread in the general chatroom. You can title it "How Ford should build the Foci" or whatever you want.

That's just my opinion though.

^^^beautiful

ok im sorry but i must comment here...

there is nothing different then a gt then a bullitt. its the same car. same motor. just dressed up. you tell them to make a change and then use a very bad example of change.

seriously all i want is at least 170whp.

we dont need massive power. 200whp isnt needed...

What I mean is a car that's more go necessarily than show... Sure 170hp would be fun but lets look at everybody elses numbers...

2008 cobalt SS turbocharged - 265hp, 260lb tq. - 14sec 1/4 mile - Also the fastest car you can buy new for under $25k.

2008 dodge caliber - Ugly as hell but still a turbo 2.4 285hp, 265ft lb. 6 sec's to 60mph and still under $25k

2008 Nissan Sentra SE-R - Looks? eh, lol... - 2.5 4cyl 200hp, 180ft lb makes it to 60 in under 7 sec's. and under $23k

2008 honda civic si - 197hp can't remember the torque but some where around 140-145ft lb's... under $25k


So even at 170hp the focus would still be 25-100hp below the competition!


I'm sorry if maybe I'm asking for too much but seriously... 170hp might be enough for some... but lets be realistic... We all want a car that can keep up with the competition. I know I do...




Oh and the Bullitt might not be as showy as the regular gt but it was quicker to 60 and offered up an extra 15hp & 5ft lb's tq. and personally I like the sleeper look better than stripes and other glitz and glamour... It's more business and straight to the point!


Without getting too off-topic here. Remember the original question was about the Special Edition spoilers and not about why we aren't getting a high performance Focus. So please keep it on topic.

To answer everyone's questions. Yes Ford is absolutely aware that enthusiasts want performance and Sam has addressed this question and more at FocusFest '08. Bottom line is its not going to happen due to fuel efficiency reasons and for lack of better words sales volume.

The best they can do at this moment is offer the 140hp version in the upcoming '09 Coupe. Remember folks, the European version is not that far off.


Tom I'm not trying to be negative here... Just trying to address the facts... To me when I think of special edition I think of something special under the hood... Please don't take that as negativity... It just hurts me that Ford stopped production of the SVT after the switch from the zetec motors to Duratec... and still hasn't given us anything yet to really keep up with the competition that's running out there. As far as the wing goes I guess it looks ok but I don't think it's going to be enough when the average consumer goes out car shopping to pick the focus over the other competition. THe true focus enthusiasts want more than just looks...


There are several differen't versions of the mustang GT and I think it's great. It's a nostalgic legend in it's own and is a great car to drive. I remember I drove an 05 when they first came out and it was loads of fun!! Even with Gas prices the way they are people are still buying sports sedans, and if anything more sport compacts over muscle cars and pickup trucks...It just seem's like every company is jumping in on the performance sport compact game except for ford.

I'll stop voicing my opinion because I know It's probably just getting on the nerves of some... I just can't help but feel the way I do... I want more power.

or in the words of the almighty Ricky Bobby! (talladega nights)...

I WANNA GO FAST! LOL! [cheers]

they need a spoiler like the new hondas civics have the one that goes on the lip of the trunk. It looks really good.

i love how ford wants our input about a damn spoiler but doesn't wanna hear what we really want in a car. stupid. another reason i will look elsewhere to buy a new car.

Exactly... [sleep]

Yes, the deck lid spoiler is sweet.

Now with that said, I also have to put my 2 cents here. With Ford actually monitoring this thread, whos going to get a second chance...lol

I have to say that is absolutly rediculous! Almost 9 years and nothing for the enthusiests except an SVT??? I mean come on, Mazda is already one up with the Mazdaspeed3 and Ford owns part of that company. Why can't we have a NEW Focus with the Turbo Duratec and call it the "Sport Edition"??? Continue to make the econo boxes at 35 MPG since that's the "money maker" with the new spoiler and make one for the enthusiests who want something with more show AND go. It really disappoints me to see something like this. That's all we get. A spoiler? Woohoo, I'm gonna buy an 09' now [rolleyes]. I would trade my Focus in RIGHT now for an 09' if it was throwing down the power of a Mazda [;)]..

i agree i care more about performance then a stupid spoiler


I have to say I agree...

Everybody should have an option to have the aftermarket spoiler added to their economy minded focus without having to pay extra for a
"special edition" or purchase the real "special edition" focus with the real HP numbers and also have an option for the spoiler...

Sure the majority of the buyers are out there for an economy minded car but there is a huge market for sport compacts and it is only human nature to want "more power"....


and on another note.... sure the thread is in reference to trying to figure out the forums opinion on a spoiler but if posts get deleted about what "we really want" then we are only hurting ourselves... Maybe we get listened to, maybe we don't...

But Ford needs to hear us out either way...

"Sure the majority of the buyers are out there for an economy minded car but there is a huge market for sport compacts and it is only human nature to want "more power"...."

We as modder's are a tiny pecentage of buyers, re-read my posts concerning demographics. This huge market according to SEMA is in the millions while the auto industry is in the billions. We're not as big as you think we are.


"and on another note.... sure the thread is in reference to trying to figure out the forums opinion on a spoiler but if posts get deleted about what "we really want" then we are only hurting ourselves... Maybe we get listened to, maybe we don't..."


I agree to some extent. If you have ever been invloved in market research study groups you would know what a pain it is to search through things like this that will easily spin to hundreds of pages quickly. I'm not one for sensorship, I'm saying make another thread for performance suggestions, take the top five suggestions and then poll them. Make it easy for Ford to see what you want. No better way than a vote right?

BestThatICouldDo might be doing this as we speak.

what I'm saying is they asked a question, "what do you think of this?" and now that answer will get lost in the mix if this keeps up. If they can't get the info they want from us then why come to our site? PLEASE keep it on track if you would ever expect FoMoCo to pay attention to us again.

or maybe you could do it, lol


the link to the "other" thread for your opinion on topics other than the spoiler appearence. http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166164

[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)] Please don't diminish this thread, we need to get as many people as possible to respond to these questions from Ford. They will not base an option on 30 opinions.

Only thing I'm worried about with this spoiler and special edition is that it'll just make the focus more costly. Already a fully loaded SES will cost you 20k, I feel like the special edition will cost you a few grand more, putting you close to the likes of an MS3, Cobalt SS, GTI, etc etc...and you'd only be a fool to pay that much for such a focus. Yea it gets better gas mileage, but if your worrying about gas mileage, you'd be going to buy a prius for the same price(if you can find one).

Don't overcharge for this "special edition" Ford.

Anyway, back to the actual topic of this thread, I like the decklid spoiler. I do not like the roof spoiler at all, by itself or in conjunction with the decklid spoiler. For me, now that I have seen the '09 coupe in person, in the future a new focus coupe might replace my SVTF. The roof spoiler would however prevent me from purchasing new.

I'm not complaining or being redundant Billy. I'm just voicing an opinion. You do make a good point and you always do, but how many Scions do you see driving down the street in our neighbor hood? Toyota put out the Scion and made a KILLING with the aftermarket enthusiests community cause it reached out to them that our econoboxes can go fast too. FoMoCo should have done the same thing and brought out a better econobox and added Ford Racing parts to the mix. Great idea right???

I only wrote in this thread, because I have some shread of hope left that Sam would read my posts and say, "Damn it Travis, you're right!" I'll go talk to Henry (or who ever the eff is running the show now) right now and make the arrangements!" LOL Prolly wouldn't happen, but heres hopin [:D].

BTW: I pmed you my Myspace link. ADD ME [woot]

imo there should not be the upper spoiler.

That looks AWESOME.
I would not have the upper , but I would have the lower. The upper and lower together are just not me, but it does look good. That would be a great option?

i like it, almost makes it appear that its a notchback, which would rule[:D]

yeah...how about just re-releasing a suped up focus RS like the way chevrolet did with the cobalt or the way Toyota did with the corolla.

I could never understand why Ford didn't do more with the focus sedan/coupe (until the GFX in 07).

...the focus was one of the best selling cars world wide and in north america in 00-04....they could have capitalized by coming out with a "SS" or "R" type version.

Again please follow the rules stated at the very beginning of the thread. I really hate to issue infractions so please keep it on topic.

The roof spoiler is fun, for me it could be an inch shorter, but I'm 42 so in a different "demographic".

The deck lid? Nice, but not quite, it needs to follow the lines of the trunk better than it does. Maybe curve down a bit on the edges as well, but that is a maybe, it looks too "universal". It really needs to look like it was made JUST for the focus to get an A+; right now, it gets a solid B.

Does Ford remember the factory short rear spoiler on the 95 taurus SHO ?? PERFECTION!

I vote for one or the other but not both. I do not see to many of the roof ones so I put in an official vote for the Roof One.

i do like the roof spoiler, and since ford is apparently reading this. i would like it better on a hatch!!!!!!!!. but im sure that has been brought up.
i think it looks ok, but i think it should have a better decklid spoiler for the SE maybe like the sap1 kits had.

I like the roof spoiler its really not that bad...but as said before they should take design ques from cars like the WRX STi. If they want two wings the one on the decklid should be bigger to make it look right otherwise its just looks too "busy".

I'm not a fan of the roof spoiler. Both look overkill, especially without a bodykit. As far as a Special Edition goes, give me a stripper model with a big brake 4wheel disc package, no chrome, uprated suspension, lightweight wheels, larger exhaust, good seats, and a 6 speed stick with lsd. 150 whp would be a great start.

Does Ford remember the factory short rear spoiler on the 95 taurus SHO ?? PERFECTION!

I owned a 93 and a 95 SHO. Loved them both. The 93 could take a stang now problem. I say go old school X2

I think the spoiler is fine, it adds something to the car, but does not MAKE the car. I think if Ford wanted to do a special Focus, it needs to stay true to the Focus in Europe's Rally heritage. A new front bumper cover like the Roush style, very agressive, new side skirts and rear bumper cover very agressive, Camshaft upgrade to boost the power, free exhaust, higer compression ratio (maybe) and 18in wheels with 40 series rubber. leather inside as an option. no SYNC.

Give the Ford Focus back the street cred it deserves and send this 1st generation platform out with a BANG! and bring the new 3rd gen platform to the US soon.

Just my .02 cents.

If they made the ends of the decklid spoiler look like they came down more it would flow with the roofline spoiler.

Sorry NO! I don't like it at all.

Sorry Tom [:)]

Both spoilers look good, but would be better with Autos touch [;)].

I dont like the roof spoiler on the sedan. Leave that to the ZX3 and the ZX5. Other than that, the new Foci are sweet. BRING BACK THE SVTF!!!!!!!!!! Or at least an SVT Fusion

I dig the decklid spoiler, not a fan of the window spoiler in the least though.

The only new spoiler is the roof one right? because i have an 08, not special edition, and it's got the decklid spoiler. I like the decklid spoiler it doesn't over do it, and im not sure about the roof spoiler with it. It's alright kinda sporty lookin, but then again reminds me of an SUV they usually have those.

i like the idea it just needs to have the roof spoiler dropped down a little in size and the deck lid needs to be a little bulkier. not so sharp looking.

Personally I dig the roof spoiler, but I don't much care for the size of the deck lid spoiler, tone it down to a lip hugging the back edge, and I might fall in love.


Edit: Even better a throw back to the Escort Cosworth RS from across the pond, stretch the roof spoiler all the way back to the edge of the deck lid, and anchor it there. But then it would have to be a hatchback, and would just be silly without a turbo. But if they did it I would buy ford again.

one or the other, and make the deck spoiler a biggin!

roof spoiler only, and only on the zx2/(coupe)/what ever.

I just really would like to whine here about doing away with the hatch, but in fairness to the brain trusts in detroit, honda (a company that actually shows real interest in the sport compact segment) droped the sport hatch as well. What gives? Do you sell more cars that way?, does it get a better crash test rating? Is it cheaper to build?

the DECKLID looks allright.

if it's going to be SPECIAL.....you should add "VT" after "Special" and adjust performance accordingly.

a REBADGE and spoiler isn't going to do anything.

agreed i think sporty looks with out the sport is pointless. put the 2.3 back into action and then i might like it

no to roof spoiler yes to rear spoiler. looks good

yeah that roof spoiler remind me of a chevy malibu....>< but that roof one is almost as big as the trunk one, simmer down on the size of it.


is all the Speical EDiton is only involing apperence package, then thats a waste of the peoples moneey. everyone and mostly everyone...people these day would like to get power for the money. ..... this would make a killer SE... throw the SVT in a Sedan. this was the only thing ford missed.

I like the two spoilers. And maybe add a nice set of rims and some cool seats to the mix. And the 2.3 would be real nice. [clap]

It is a very interesting design. I kind of like it. I mean there will be some that will like it, hate it or just don't care. But I'm gonna have to say I like it. Its different than some cars you see on the road and it will stand out. I'm not going to argue with Ford on there decision on the focus. I know that what they are going to be doing with it will be great. I mean, no offense Ford, but they were one of the worst car making company's until they started kicking it to high gear and making there cars one of the best and beating out Toyota, Honda and Hyundai. Like I said I like it and cant wait to see the new Ford Focus RS. I'm sticking with Ford cars only. Ford ROCKS!!!

I want them both and I want them now! Where can I buy them?

I definitely like the idea of having both the roof and rear spoilers.

The roof spoiler could be toned down a little perhaps. I've seen one other roof "spoiler" for an 08', but I think this one is to small and looks more like a shade or something rather than a spoiler. Perhaps a compromise between the two.

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/746895/19886026/325228097.jpg

I think the deck spoiler is OK. What is really going to give Ford some credibility against the competition? PERFORMANCE. Anyone can go buy aftermarket wheels, give us factory disc brakes all around and an option for 2.3L or something.

the link to the "other" thread for your opinion on topics other than the spoiler appearence. http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/s...d.php?t=166164

C1 FOCUS.....enough said.

Right, so for a start I'm born raised and live in england (and really drunk) so my opinion isn't really valid. But still, why are ford usa messing about with a silly little spoiler on the boot as if that the big issue. Give those poor american folk a real ST and an RS. We already have them over here, they're awesome, americans would love them. Just sort them out with a 2.5 litre turbocharged 3 door hatch with a nice ST body kit, some turbochargers and a big 90s style escort cosworth spoiler, they'll be happy as larry (whoever larry is). I know I'm drunk and talking nonsense but at the end of the day, theres already really nice performance stock foci out there, you just need to share them with the states.

i like the sti idea. but i like the two spoilers

Spoilers are ok but makes sure they are both on the same angle...

My idea, i heard this get kicked around for the mustang. Make a performance package that can be purchased from Ford and installed at a dealership. This way it will be fully warranteed and properly installed. Something like suspension, intake, exshaust, turbo, short shifter, brakes. This way ford could still concentrate on making all the focus's the same. This idea was originally thought of for the discontinuance of the SVT division and a way that you could still buy a performance mustang. The kits could even come with SVT or FRPP badges

I agree, look at the scion Tc, I want more options. I am about to graduate from college next May and I am looking around at my next car and honestly Ford has nothing on VW, Scion, or Mazda when it comes to upgrades or accesories. What about a Focus Speed, A stock FI Focus? What about getting my Focus from the factory lowered with an exhaust. If you don't know what I am talking build a Scion Tc and just look at all of the options they give you. There is a Ford Dealership I pass on the way to school that has tons of new mustangs. There are your normal ones but there are also tons of cars with body kits, multicolored paint jobs, spoilers, and hoods. Why can't we get that with the focus? With the way the economy is now more people will be buying the Focus why not give more options to the people so that more tuners will come back to Ford instead of to Scion, Mazda, VW, or Honda

I'm glad Ford is thinking of making another Special Edition Focus. But we need performance, look at the Mazda 3 for example. It has good stock horsepower, has good fuel economy, a decent price and they sell like hotcakes. Ford doesn't need to built a Special Edition comparable to the MazdaSpeed3, but at least throw in the 2.3 or a 2.5 that could hold its own to a SVT Focus from 4 years ago.

not much chance of sticking those little guys to My '03 huh? looks good either way.

If they want to do 2 wings they need to just go for broke. Whoops, someone already posted that image. Try this one, Billy. [hihi]
http://www.streetdragster.com/Pictures/Cars/Escort%20Cosworth/Als_Cosworth_002.jpg


But realistically, I like Auto's a lot.

Now there's a monster of a vehicle! 1993 Escort RS Cosworth!

The trunk spoiler = ok. Its subtle, not huge, and helps add something to the rear.

The roof spoiler = No bueno. They look great on hatches, not so great on the sedan. Looks like they are trying to hard.

i like the wing i think it should get put on!

I have to go with one or the other not both with my leaning more towards just the decklid spoiler.

forget the decklid, bring the 09 rs over here. thats perfect, even in green

In my mind, the only way that the upper wing is going to look good is if Ford put a SAP variant wing on the trunk. I mean it looks OK but would be better if the sizes weren't so much the same. Seems kinda redundant.

Do this and win... moral of the story: a roof spoiler should not be bigger than the decklid spoiler:

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/746895/19886026/325228097.jpg

^ That definitely looks way better.

I don't like either one very much. I would be much more willing to accept one (but not both on the same car) if they had some function, such as reduced drag or increased high speed stability.

I look at it this way too, because of aerodynamics, that wing is going to cause the rear window to get dirty real fast.

There's a thought...add a rear wiper!

i like the top one.

kinda brings back the "hatch" fealing back.

The two tier spoiler is a pretty original idea on a factory edition. Originality is a good thing, people. It's got me interested, but I'd need to see a full shot before giving it a thumbs up. FORD: If you really want to get on this forums's good side, you're going to have to add more than some wings...

i think it looks great!!!

i like both of the spoilers individually, but i'm not sure how i feel about them together. my worry is that it's gonna be too crowded and make it look like we're trying too hard to have a cool car, but foci are already cool. it may grow on me, but for right now i think i'm on the fence.

Do this and win... moral of the story: a roof spoiler should not be bigger than the decklid spoiler:

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/746895/19886026/325228097.jpg

Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!![cheers]

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/746895/19886026/325228097.jpg

I like that window spoiler, but I think the decklid spoiler should be taller. Like a Mustang.

Such as this:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/LuS1fer/Mustang%20Reference%20Shots/IMG_0765.jpg
Or this:
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm291/BenBan1991/100_0539.jpg

I look at it this way too, because of aerodynamics, that wing is going to cause the rear window to get dirty real fast.

There's a thought...add a rear wiper!

And while they are at it they could round the rear end and make a hatchback for that rear wiper!!! [cheers]

I like it.

I have to say one or the other, but definitely not both.

They look pretty good together but I would rather have a trunk spoiler. I do like the look of the top wing but I think the current trunk spoiler needs work. I really like what Auto did. That would be pretty sweet. Or maybe Ford can make a Roush or Saleen style spoiler that seamless and sticks out the back a little bit.

This would look beautiful with a higher wing just like the Street appearance package on the 06 SES focus. It would flow better!!

I think different options on the type on decklid and spoiler should be used.

What about the old cosworth escort looking ones as an option too.

This would look beautiful with a higher wing just like the Street appearance package on the 06 SES focus. It would flow better!!

You're not the only one to mention the SAP wing.

Hello??? [scratch] Ford????[neener]

Wow - A lot of comments in 7 days.

OK - Here's mine, related to the DECKLID spoiler ONLY ( I'm a good boy. I follow instructions. )
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Not really liking the shape of the spoiler. The forward curves on the end kind of put me off on it. For reference, I think the 'SAP' wing looks cool. Also, with the shape of the taillamps, I think a spoiler reminiscent of the one on a '70 Camaro would look good on this. The Camaro spoiler was like this:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2040/2539590074_54b1bdb79e.jpg%3Fv%3D0&imgrefurl=http://flickr.com/photos/argentla/2539590074/&h=291&w=500&sz=122&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=BOk0SI-zk7ItsM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1973%2BCamaro%2Bspoiler%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

^^ I can see how visually that Camaro's spoiler would work, but that wing was designed to be used in CAN-AM races that needed to carry over from production vehicles. Plus they needed that specific rake to generate DF. (I'm sure sure that I'm not telling you nothung you don't already know[hihi])

ewww

I think ford should just go back to the h/b and drop the whole only sedan thing.
if they want a special edition fofo, go w/ the euro style, thats special. don't just add a wing and call it good. (said in a polite voice out loud before typing this to make sure it was apropreate)

x2^ replace both spoilers with a hatch. not interested in a "special edition roof spoiler" anyway. don't get me wrong, all the extra downforce on a fwd car would be helpful (sarcasm).

why not give it more power intead of extra stuff? i'd love to see a 170-180 horse duratec focus as a special edition. with rear discs of course. can any one say svt??

i prefer the deck spoiler over the roof spoiler. but, i would like it more flush mounted kind of like the Cadillac spoiler on the CTS-V.

O yeah, ditch the chrome and bring the hatch back sooner.

Don't like it either. You don't need 2.

I agree with the if its going to be a "special edition" then make it the european style. The double spoiler does not work for me, nor does the chrome. If you're not going to take the euro look. Lower it, and put a powerful motor it in. 4 wheel disc brakes!

I'd much rather have a hatch than a coupe.

I like the roof spoiler better than the trunk unit. The roof unit will keep some dirt of the rear window when it rains. The trunk spoiler will be a pain to wax around. Looks-wise, my SVT benefited a lot from the roof spoiler and I think this will be true for the '08 Focus too.

Definitely we need a more efficient Duratec with full variable valve timing. The car needs about 20 more hp and I'd be glad to pay for it. Why can't we get Ecoboost sooner? Chevy's got it now!

The Focus has such potential and Ford's barely scratched the surface. Where's the GPS? Where's the rear disc brakes? Where's the SACD player? Where's a really nice set of forged aluminum wheels? And where's the ATB diff? Chevy's got that too!

reminds me of the window spoiler on the subies. looks fine, needs a body kit to complement it though.

how about leaving the above the window wing, and replacing the deck lid with a very mild lip, similar to the Fusion option?

Special edition hmm lets see, forget the wings and add these
Exterior finished in metallic black, scarlet leather Recaro sports seats and matching upholstery, special badging, automatic Xenon high-intensity headlamps, auto-dimming rear view mirror, rain-sensing wipers and solar-reflect windscreen. Power comes from the Focus ST's acclaimed 20-valve five-cylinder Duratec 2.5T engine, which develops 225PS at 6,100rpm and 320Nm of torque at just 1,600rpm.

Special edition hmm lets see, forget the wings and add these
Exterior finished in metallic black, scarlet leather Recaro sports seats and matching upholstery, special badging, automatic Xenon high-intensity headlamps, auto-dimming rear view mirror, rain-sensing wipers and solar-reflect windscreen. Power comes from the Focus ST's acclaimed 20-valve five-cylinder Duratec 2.5T engine, which develops 225PS at 6,100rpm and 320Nm of torque at just 1,600rpm.

X2!!!

THERE IS ONLY ONE THING THE SPECIAL EDITION NEEDS

MORE POWA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and a badass radio (like shaker 1,000 style

The chrome is def. more on the luxury looking side. I know of course the four door is for a family car. But it being an SE, i think the trim should come in a variety of colors to accent the actual body color. As far as the wing, my taste would lean toward a rally looking spoiler almost similar to the STI with the 3rd brake light located on the wing. Also maybe even some ground effects or body styling as far as the bumpers and skirts go. It's just a wee bit plain for me. And yes more powa! =D

as on 08 coupe owner I say one or the other...two is overkill. also, the special edition should have a lower stance- the factory ride height on the car is outrageously high although the ride is very smooth so thumbs up on that. A little more performance could not hurt, but I understand the costs an automotive manufacturer can incur trying to introduce something in midstream.

I think both spoilers are overkill. remove the window wing

NO.

I own a 2008 SES Sedan for reference.

FORD, what you need to do is BRING ME THE 2009 Europe (italy or Argentina) Ford Focus 5 door hatchback with AWD and GPS, just like this baby:

http://www.ford.it/spg/getImage.asp?imageName=SPG_9_34_0_24677.jpg&filename=FF_Focus_Pop_1.jpg

http://www.ford.it/spg/getImage.asp?imageName=SPG_9_34_0_24680.jpg&filename=FF_Focus_Pop_2.jpg

http://www.ford.it/spg/getImage.asp?imageName=SPG_9_34_0_24689.jpg&filename=FF_Focus_Pop_5.jpg

http://www.ford.it/spg/getImage.asp?imageName=SPG_9_34_0_25399.gif&filename=1.jpg

http://www.ford.it/spg/getImage.asp?imageName=SPG_9_34_0_25402.gif&filename=galleria1_bis.jpg


I emailed Ford using the website but that does NOT get to Ford Management, please make my voice be heard. AWD + GPS ALL FEATURES to the US!!

In Argentina the commercial shows RAIN SENSING WIPERS / Automatic Mirrors (out/in) / headlamps wipers?

see commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahdMWKKkqv8

PSS can you get me one at discount for loyalty? :P

PSS

Bring the 2009 Ford Focus RS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Apm94UIAV4&NR=1

The roof spoiler on either the coupe or sedan is atrocious. Big or small, it comes across as a tacky afterthought. [vommit] The trunk spoiler is great.

I realize that some people might like it on the roof though, so why not just make it an option? Those who want it can have it made their way; the rest of us can breathe a sight of relief.

Same holds true for the grille color for the '09 coupe...why change the color to dark bronze? Yuck! I liked the chrome look better! [bawling]

Either way, I'm getting a Focus soon! [clap]

I really do like the roof spoiler, and the normal trunk spoiler is ok too. They compliment each other well and I think that they give the car a sporty look. Makes it look like a slightly more expensive car.

I think two spoilers would be overkill (for just a sporty cosmetic piece).

I prefer the deck lid spoiler as the more subtle and understated; focus needs to come back to subtle (mostly hinting at the chrome here, but I'm all for a more sporty focus!). ; )

A wing means downforce over the nearest driven wheels...2 wings for non driven wheels = rice.

A wing means downforce over the nearest driven wheels...2 wings for non driven wheels = rice.

LMAO- funny but true

dude put three wings on it and maybe itll fly

if Ford is really watching this thread,

like many have said forget about a spoiler for the current focus bring me the Euro ST or RS, I would have at least 3 of them on my house alone, 1 RS for me, 1 ST for my wife and another ST for my daughter, and my son it's 13 and he really likes the ST too.

C'mon Ford what are you waiting for. [boxface] [chair] [gunfire]

attached a pic for my viewing pleasure

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/11/ford_focus_gt500.jpg

The best spoiler would be just a flip up type off the trunk

The '08 sedan has grown on me a little since my first impression now that I'm seeing them on the road. You could actually make the sedan OK with a little lowering and some larger wheels. Coupe still sucks b/c it's not a hatch (no versitilty), no matter how much you dress it up it's less than what you had in the zx3.

I like the spoiler, but concur with everyone who's saying that an ST or RS version would be more welcome.

The best spoiler would be just a flip up type off the trunk

The '08 sedan has grown on me a little since my first impression now that I'm seeing them on the road. You could actually make the sedan OK with a little lowering and some larger wheels. Coupe still sucks b/c it's not a hatch (no versitilty), no matter how much you dress it up it's less than what you had in the zx3.

SCREW YOU DUDE!!! lol, j/k- I love my coupe but i see what ur saying

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/11/ford_focus_gt500.jpg
Hellz yez

It needs some Comp Orange in it!

I think Ford should pay attention and give a more sportier/luxory looking version like the ST and RS. Like as of now I would take a Mazada 3 over the new focus...

well i have a turbo focus now and i plan to never go N/A again so i don't care what wing they put on there i just want to know how much and when can i buy an ST.

the spoiler on the trunk is better then the one on the roof.