can you tell?

I do
http://www.mcarsweb.com/honda/nsx.jpg
http://www.ayisigi.com.tr/images/wallpaper/S2000-1024_768.jpg
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/acura/integratyper_2.jpg
http://www.streettuners.com/wallpaper/civic_si_wallpaper_3_med.jpg
http://images.forbes.com/images/2001/12/10/rsxypes_415x274.jpg

eh i wouldnt buy one but if someone gave me one id use it as a beater

The top 3 of those are nice but all of them (except for the teg) are all horribly overpriced. As for the Si its a piece, even the honda guys admit this. And RSX's are overrated.

i like the teg...
i might get one....

mmmmmmmmm mmmmmm mmmmmmmm...
h22 turbo....
no tq...but what can we do....

Honda's are durable.
Look at the one that hit my Diamondback bike at 5mph. My bike only got a small scratch on the handlebars.

http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/cd/c6/d2_1_b.JPG
http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/cd/c7/1f_1.JPG

Originally posted by el_pio
h22 turbo....
no tq...but what can we do....

huh? the h22 has more hp and more torque stock than any focus

it may have more than the focus, but what is it rated, if it isn't almost 50-50 I'd can the junk. No torque is boring Horsepower

Yeah guys, Hondas are junk.[rolleyes] Screw JD Power and his reports!

That's just what I was thinking Infra...

p.s. I would have purchased a Civic if I could have afforded it at the time.

Originally posted by eggyolk
That's just what I was thinking Infra...

p.s. I would have purchased a Civic if I could have afforded it at the time.

Same here. I would have bought the Si or the RS but the Focus was about 10k less than the RS and about 5.5k less than the Si. In fact, when my car kept "not arriving" (if any of you remember) I actually started looking for used Si's and RS's. But even the used ones were way more than the Focus.

Hate em, and now with this new one that my hubby is getting, CRX crap. Oh well, his wishes, gotta deal with it and respect him. Anyway, I don't want it near my baby, that's 4 sure!

Can't hate on a prelude engine

Originally posted by CKA
Hate em, and now with this new one that my hubby is getting, CRX crap. Oh well, his wishes, gotta deal with it and respect him. Anyway, I don't want it near my baby, that's 4 sure!

Well u better be ready to accept the fact that that CRX is gonna be handing you your ass as well.

Hondas do not suck. Riced out Civcs suck. I have a Focus, my wife has a Intrigue. Both cars are American, are decent enough to drive, but the reliability sucks. My wife had a 94 Prelude SI before the Intrigue. When we sold it, it had 186k on it, and we got $1,500 more than we paid for it. It ran awesome, did not have a sqeak or rattle, handled better and was faster than either car we now own. It certainly did not suck. It had no problems in the three years she owned it. My focus has been around now for about 11 months and has had too many issues to list.

infra.. how about getting the pictures smaller, or better yet.. get the jap crap off here. I don't care if anyone likes honda's better. I am American and will support the American economy best I can and do my best not to buy jap stuff until they let OUR product go to japan. It takes presure for a country to change it's protectionist ways. Everyone would be better off in the long run to boycot jap stuff until they are as open market as the US is. Then I would concider.

So, would the American's working at the numerous American plants that make the Civic, Accord and Odyssey be better off if "we" boycotted Honda's? Mmmm, probably not. But its good we all chose to buy the Focus, the majority of which are assembled in Mexico. Wake up, it's a global economy now. Some people are sooo ignorant.

i love my focus but..........................i loved my 91 lude with a h22a and a turbo more

I am not being sarcastic or making a snide comment, but merely asking: when a Japanese car is assembled here, where do the profits from its sale go? Logic would have it that the proceeds of the sale go back to the parent company and its home country. So if that's true, even though Americans are paid to work in the factories, the money (or the bulk of it anyway) still goes back to the home country.

Whatever. I learned to drive stick on a 1986 Civic Si - it was a blast to drive and was the car that sold me on small, sporty cars rather than 60's muscle cars which I was heavily into at the time...

Nicely said, robbob, I was going to say that exact thing. Japanese cars have let many, many people I know have the money for homes, cars, food, etc.

Japanese cars give Americans jobs.

Plus, i find "jap crap" to be kind of racist, calling Japanese people "Japs" is not a ncie term.

Jesus Christ....how many times we gonna have a "honda sucks" thread.........I've been gone how many months and I come back to the same damn thing. How bout we hate on nissans, or kia's, or something at least other than hondas for once.

pardon the rant.........rock on

SVT4ME, you missed the point.

lol thank god someone finally said what everyone is thinking thank you WORM.............

It doesn't have to be a "global economy." Japan for example does their damndest to make money off selling products to other countries while refusing (or severely restricting) those same countries the ability to sell products in Japan. If Japan can do it why can't we?

Okay, without getting too deep into this...

What good would come if the United States stopped letting Japanese cars, or Asian, or Korean cars be sold in the U.S.? The reason for the major inprovement of engineering and quality of American cars is a direct result of competition from foreign car makers.
As for profits going to anohter country, who cares? The profit made by Honda helps pay American worker's salary, benefits, and retirement fund. And yes, it does have to be a global economy.[thumb]

Eliminating foreign manufacturers does not eliminate competition in the marketplace.

Originally posted by BIGBADWORM
Jesus Christ....how many times we gonna have a "honda sucks" thread.........I've been gone how many months and I come back to the same damn thing. How bout we hate on nissans, or kia's, or something at least other than hondas for once.

pardon the rant.........rock on


ALRIGHT!!!! hating on da daewoo's. HELL YEEEAAAH[headbang]

How's that? Let's leave Dodge/Chrysler out of this, they're owned by a German company. That leaves us with two companies from which to choose cars. So, let's see. Two, or dozens. Well, wait, G.M. owns a stake in Izuzu, Saab and Daewoo, so is it okay to buy those cars? Ford owns Jaguar, and Range Rover. The engine in the Landrover is supplied by BMW, so those are okay to buy. See how ridiculous this is?

So, would the American's working at the numerous American plants that make the Civic, Accord and Odyssey be better off if "we" boycotted Honda's

If Americans were as country loyal as the Japanese, then we would buy more American cars. So more people would be working right? As was said, the profits go to japan. As I said, when they let our product into there country as freely as we let there product into our country, then it is equal, then it is good.



As for profits going to anohter country, who cares? The profit made by Honda helps pay American worker's salary, benefits, and retirement fund. And yes, it does have to be a global economy.


I care, as should you. When it is all equal it is good. It is not equal now. Be American for crying out loud. If it is going to be a global economy, make it equal! Just like airlines buying airbus jets. That is just wrong. Airbus has not made a profit yet. It undersells its planes to make sales, and the government of the countries who make airbus takes up the rest of the bill. Whlie boeing has to eat it all by itself. Global my ass. The cards are stacked against us. I am all for global economy when it is fair.

But its good we all chose to buy the Focus, the majority of which are assembled in Mexico. Wake up, it's a global economy now. Some people are sooo ignorant.


want to hear ignorant? the best selling model of focus is the sedan. They are made in Wayne michigan. Want to hear more? Mexico is no longer making focus. They are all made in Wayne michigan now. More? mexico is a good trading partner that allows our product into there country equally with us. You need to study up.

What about those Toyota Cavaliers, are they sold in Japan?

Ugh... I'm really not interested in getting into a big debate and a whole lesson on economies. I really don't see what is so damned wrong with wanting people to support companies based in the U.S.A and to buy American products.

May I remind those who love to start arguments about how stupid/lazy/ignorant/retarded Americans are that all Fokuzsport said was "I hate Hondas... can't you tell?" That's it. Pretty open to interpretation, really, but I doubt he meant anything to the effect of "please you guys, won't you start yet another ridiculous debate about global trade?" [rolleyes]

Originally posted by Lil_RedZX3
What about those Toyota Cavaliers, are they sold in Japan?

I don't know if they still are, but as I recall they sold extremely poorly. That's no surprise, of course. That's actually a good example: Japan allowed the Cavalier to be imported and sold as a Toyota, *probably* knowing full well that the car was a piece of crap that would be rejected by the Japanese buying public. Which further bolsters the traditional notion held that the U.S. is incapable of producing a quality automobile.

Actually, I was more responding to the guy who said not to buy "Jap crap". Maybe from now on I'll just agree with whatever anyone posts. Sorry to have a different opinon than you.
Jeez, I hope people in Europe don't see this. They may decide only to buy European cars. That wouldn't be good. BTW, American cars are sold in Japan, people just don't prefer them. Yes, there is a tariff on American cars sold there. Just like the tariff on foreign cars sold in the U.S.

I wonder how Focus's would sell in the JDM?

The Focus is sold there, but as a nothing special plain model. I do not know how well it sells. Ford (and other American car companies) sell some cars in Japan, but the variety is extremely limited and is often the less-desirable models. They sell the Mustang in Japan, but AFAIK they do not sell a GT or Cobra, only a V6 model.

I personally side more with vanace I guess, on *some* issues. For example, yes, we bombed the bejeesus out of Japan in WWII, but then we also came in and helped to rebuild their infrastructure. With our help Japan has become the country that it is today. Prior to WWII Japan's manufacturing was not known for being of any particular quality. Some might even argue that the country was remarkably "behind the times" when it came to technological prowess. America is a fantastic country and I am proud to live here and be an American. I wouldn't live anywhere else, and apparently there are plenty of other people who like this country too since they keep coming here illegally by the thousands to take advantage of the free hand-outs we give to them.

i have one thing to say about this whole economy crap....................WHO GIVES A SHIT

Originally posted by rfinger
i have one thing to say about this whole economy crap....................WHO GIVES A SHIT

Intelligence at its best.


SVT, talk about ME being off the subject. What's with all this WWll stuff?
Anyway, it's good to see all the different views on this. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.[:)]

Originally posted by rfinger
i have one thing to say about this whole economy crap....................WHO GIVES A SHIT

lol[:D] We do...

Originally posted by robbob
SVT, talk about ME being off the subject. What's with all this WWll stuff?

Honestly? I guess I dunno... LOL just thought I'd throw that one out there. But it is true - we bombed them back to the Stone Age, but without our help they would have been stuck in that mode for a long time. I guess I was thinking about how everybody is always raving about Japanese quality, it's kind of funny, really. Japanese products used to be some of the shittiest stuff out there. If you had told someone in 1930 that a Japanese car would be preferable to an American one, that person would have died laughing. Japan got where it is today with OUR help.

i understand that everyone needs to voice their opinion HATCH but just a little off topic is.......................its late and im cranky lol

Originally posted by SVT4ME
May I remind those who love to start arguments about how stupid/lazy/ignorant/retarded Americans are that all Fokuzsport said was "I hate Hondas... can't you tell?" That's it. Pretty open to interpretation, really, but I doubt he meant anything to the effect of "please you guys, won't you start yet another ridiculous debate about global trade?" [rolleyes]

Exactly........Focuz was just showing off his sig....which I thought was an amusing one and of course all the dumb[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]*s had to step in with the Hondas suck as usual and start the great debate all over again.

HAHA, OMG, I am so used to seeing that peeing guy on here I guess I didn't even notice that's what he was talking about when he said "can't you tell?" [:I] I was wondering exactly what he was getting at, and it was right in front of my face. Oh well.

To recap, Fokuzsport hates Hondas, vanace wants people to buy American, robbob wants a global economy, rfinger doesn't give a shit, and I am confused as usual. [rolleyes]

Me, I don't care what you buy, just stay in the slow lane.

I'd take a RSX type-s any day of the week.

I just looked at Ford's Japan website, apparently I stand corrected. Last time I looked at it they advertised only base model Focuses and Mustangs - now it appears they are selling more powerful models as well, like the ST170. So, that's cool. At least they are selling some good products and not the same old "Toyota" Cavaliers. But as robbob mentioned, thanks to the importation taxes Japanese buyers are still likely to be swayed more towards a home manufacturer, if for nothing else than to save money.

Focus ST170 (euro version of the SVT) sells for 3,150,000 Yen, or approximately 28,000 US Dollars. Mustang GT Convertible sells for 4,798,500 Yen, or (hold on to your hats) 42,558 US Dollars!!

hey, their good cars... just don't get a civic. That's what I think.

this topic is now off topic to more economical perspectives. BORING!

Originally posted by vanace
infra.. how about getting the pictures smaller, or better yet.. get the jap crap off here.
http://pages.nyu.edu/~kkc206/wallpaper/honda-s2000-1280x1024.jpg


Jap crap?

hondas can actually be extremely fun and strong, but its the people who drive them like dicks, or rice them out with just lower springs to the floor and loud ass mufflers with primer paint that make me sick. thats most of them,but i have seen some i goota give props. i always did like the type r integra, but still love my focus.

its amazing how disrespectful some of you are to the main company that started the sport compact scene. If it wasnt for imports, your precious Focus would still be the King of Recalls since the foreign market is topping reliability and SVT wouldnt have lifted a finger to give you a nice performance Focus.

why are imports supposedly over-priced (even though Consumer Guide would disagree with you)? Maybe because of the tariffs imposed on them and the fact that they are much more reliable.

CivicHatch+SVT-F: Your comment make no sense. Import auto makers did not start the sport compact scene...least of all Honda with their Civic.

Tuners and car enthusiasts started it all...give credit where credit is due.

Ever heard of a Pinto? a Grimlin? a Lotus? a Mini Cooper? All these cars were being tuned long before the Civic was a wet spot on the sheets.

Hell, the original GT-40 Race Car is about the size of the Focus minus the head room and ground clearance. Volkswagon Beatle...the list goes on and on, but by no means starts with the Civic. Even the Mustang was offered with a 4-Cyl engine before the Civic was introduced, and the car was pretty compact then too.

Asians started the sport of Drifting, and to my knowledge...that's it. Everything else is a knock-off of American/European engineering. Even their computer technology is an expansion of American/European ideas.

You've watched too many movies with Vin Diesel in them.

LOL...just read the entire thread...I side with Lil_RedZX3... "I don't care what you buy, just stay in the slow lane." AMEN TO THAT!!!
I was "forced" to downshift and use the HOV lane to pass some lady yesterday, and she flipped me the birdie...I about died laughing (while returning the gesture and cutting her off and dropping to 50mph to let her know not to use "my lane"...LOL). It's been a long time since someone flipped me off...it's usually the opposite.

Oh my God, this is getting ridiculous. Infra, that's a rather personal attack, don't you think? That's a pretty strong statement to make.

CivicHatch+SVT-F, are you brainwashed or what?? Honda did NOT start the sport compact scene, as GonFishin pointed out. Many automakers made sporty compact cars before Honda even built a car. Generally VW is credited with starting the "craze" as we now know it back in the 70's with the Rabbit GTi over in Europe. Furthermore, the notion that Hondas are utterly reliable and never have a problem because they are absolutely perfect in every way is complete nonsense. They are a complex machine just like any car produced by any other manufacturer, and have had their share of problems too. The original Honda Accord, for example, was widely regarded as a total piece of crap. Everybody always points to Honda "quality" as a reason U.S. carmakers shaped up - but if you look back to when Honda came to the U.S. the cars really weren't that great. They just happened to be the right thing at the right time, fuel efficient and economical at a time when suddenly fuel economy became important.

And the comment about imports meaning our Focus is no longer the "King of Recalls"?? What the hell does that even mean? Without Honda being here, Ford wouldn't have bothered to fix any problems with the car? That makes no sense whatsoever. [screwy]

hondas are very reliable cars.... american cars cant seem to make a car without a bunch of recalls being put out within the first few months of manufacture.... they fall apart by 100,000 miles.... japanese people take pride in their work... unlike the lazy fast-food eating americans that could give a shit about their work as long as they go home on time and get paid at he end of the week.... we as americans instead of hating on the japs should start to take a look at ourselves and where our country is headed... then maybe our cars wouldn't fall apart as soon as you take them off the lot... sorry im tired now...

You know, I like whatever I am driving as long as it runs well...Ford has made some crap and so has Honda, but tell me any GOOD car isn't fun on a good open road with your favorite girl by your side ...as we sign...
Oh I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay..............


Oops....sorry, wrong skit, I beg your pardon..

What the hell? ViSioNarY, if Fords and other American cars are such crap why did you buy one? If Honda and other Japanese cars are so freaking precious how come you aren't driving one?

And frankly, I am sick and tired of people throwing around lame stereotypes about American workers. Yes, I'm sure there are no auto workers in the U.S. that take pride in their work. [rolleyes] They're ALL just a bunch of slobs who don't give a shit. There can't possibly be anyone left who cares about the job they do, right?? And Japanese workers, they're freaking perfect! So much pride. Must be why a crapload of Japanese men commit suicide, because they're so happy with their jobs and lives... [confused]

ViSioNarY: I'm tired from that too...My mom's Ford Bronco II has 260,000 miles on it...my brothers 2000 Cavalier has 160,000...my buddy's Concord has 135,000...Americans take pride in their work too...Asians eat fast food and many have very high cholesterol (even though their bodies stay thin)..."we as americans instead of hating on the japs" (LOL...I don't even know where to begin with that one)...

CONFUCIUS SAY:
"he who stand on toilet bowl is high on pot"

I SAY:
"is there a better way to get smoke out the exhaust vent?" LOL[thumb]

Originally posted by SVT4ME
And the comment about imports meaning our Focus is no longer the "King of Recalls"?? What the hell does that even mean? Without Honda being here, Ford wouldn't have bothered to fix any problems with the car? That makes no sense whatsoever. [screwy]

I dont recall ever saying anything about Honda being the reason why Ford (or other domestic car manufacturers) is working harder. Its a proven fact that because of IMPORTS/FOREIGN automakers that the US automarket is trying to compete with the reliability of foreign automakers.

actually, it's a proven fact that our American manufacturers are cutting corners in quality to compete with sweatshop labor in foreign countries.

You'd do one hell of a bang up job making NIKE shoes and assembling car parts too if it meant a severe punishment and/or possibly you and your family starving to death or losing healthcare in one of the most disease ridden parts of the world if you didn't.

You know what these same people rely on when their government and local businesses deny them these necessities of life? Foreign Aid from Americans sending crates of food and medical supplies along with blankets and clothing.

lol... like american companiese dont do the same. Ever here of a nice lil company called Wal-Mart? Hiring illegal aliens at rediculously low wages to work in them. Or the fact that Wal-Marts "price rollbacks" only happen because they use sweat-shop labor workers in foreign countries and pay them $.08/hour. Americans are no more innocent in that matter Fishin.

Originally posted by CivicHatch+SVT-F
If it wasnt for imports, your precious Focus would still be the King of Recalls since the foreign market is topping reliability and SVT wouldnt have lifted a finger to give you a nice performance Focus.

So, you don't count Honda as an import?? You didn't directly say Honda, but by definition if you say imports you are including Honda in that. I find your logic false, sorry. I just don't think that makes any sense at all. That import cars are what prompted Ford to correct problems with the Focus. Without Honda and other imports Ford would have just sat back and said "well, the Focus has some problems, buyers are complaining and the number being sold is going down - but WHO CARES? Let's all sit back and have a party. There are no imports to challenge us. We are truly kings!" [rolleyes]

BTW, American car companies have been producing performance versions of more pedestrian cars for a long time. Hello? Remember the 1960's? The GTO was a Le Mans, the GTX was a Satellite, etc. It's a fair assumption that American car manufacturers would have eventually reached this idea of small sporty cars even if the imports didn't come here at the time they did. I don't deny that imports have changed the automotive landscape and have benefitted the American car buyer in various ways, but I think its ridiculous to hold imports up as some kind of golden standard.

I'd rather have the company making my car at least admit to the recalls instead of hiding the facts as Mitsubishi has been known to do in the past. I'm happier knowing that the company is willing to admit to their mistake than to not. Oh and as for Honda's reliability, yeah the engine will run...but I had a VW that did the same thing for 280K miles. I think it's a bit naive to say that reliability is of so much importance nowadays. Reliability is often times inversely proportionate to other things, like driving style, environment, power. Add some torque into the mix, and I'm betting that Honda would have had the same reliability issues. Torque produces alot of stress on the drivetrain, as well as other rolling parts. I'm not saying that Honda doesn't have a good track record here. I'm just saying they've had their own problems also, but people generally think that Honda is some miracle car. It isn't, they have problems just like every other car. Just in different areas.

And just as another side note, Ford wasn't targeting you bazooka-muffler-toting rice-muffins anyway, the Focus was designed with the European market in mind. Ya know the other important things in driving, like handling and broad power curves. But Honda doesn't know a whole lot about that now do they. The Focus was designed to take aim at VW basically. This is why the Focus was originally produced and tested in Europe before coming across the pond.

Originally posted by microtonal
Honda's are durable.
Look at the one that hit my Diamondback bike at 5mph. My bike only got a small scratch on the handlebars.

http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/cd/c6/d2_1_b.JPG
http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/cd/c7/1f_1.JPG

LOL.

I like any kind of car. Every car has it's bad things and good things.

Originally posted by SVT4ME
So, you don't count Honda as an import?? You didn't directly say Honda, but by definition if you say imports you are including Honda in that. I find your logic false, sorry. I just don't think that makes any sense at all. That import cars are what prompted Ford to correct problems with the Focus. Without Honda and other imports Ford would have just sat back and said "well, the Focus has some problems, buyers are complaining and the number being sold is going down - but WHO CARES? Let's all sit back and have a party. There are no imports to challenge us. We are truly kings!" [rolleyes]



lol... you like twisting things around dont ya? Of course I include Honda as import but not as the main reason why US auto manufacturers are getting better. I thought I made that clear [confused] Ford is the least reputable US company. Want an example? In the early 90's Ford tried duplicating the water-based colors that japanese companies started using. It was an utter failure. The paint would get soooo washed-up only after about 5 years. My bosses had an Aerostar van from the first year they did this. They did a recall on the paint but want to know why they didnt get a new paint job?? Because they said the car had 2,000 miles more than the recall allowed for. How exactly does the mileage of a vehicle determine the longevity of a paint job?

I am not familiar with that particular example, however nearly all American car companies had some paint problems in the 1980's and early 1990's. Ford is not alone on that. There were plenty of Japanese car companies that had paint problems, too. I don't know about you but I have seen plenty of Honda Civics and Accords with poor paint. Why did it fail? I thought Honda was some kind of God of the auto world? Isn't their paint indestructible?

I really have no grudge with any company. That should be obvious since my g/f was looking at trading her Escape in for a new model Civic but I told her to look at the SVT Focus for the best bang for her buck. Hope theres no hard feelings, just a friendly lil debate [thumb]

Ladies Ladies Stop getting your panties in a twist =)


Originally posted by RPIJG
And just as another side note, Ford wasn't targeting you bazooka-muffler-toting rice-muffins anyway, the Focus was designed with the European market in mind. Ya know the other important things in driving, like handling and broad power curves. But Honda doesn't know a whole lot about that now do they. The Focus was designed to take aim at VW basically. This is why the Focus was originally produced and tested in Europe before coming across the pond.

^^^^ Ding Ding Ding We Have a winner
He is absolutley right thats the whole reason we don't have the RS or a more pumped up version of the Focus cause the truth is the Focus wasn't even really meant for us

Originally posted by SVT4ME
Why did it fail? I thought Honda was some kind of God of the auto world? Isn't their paint indestructible?

Dude, you really blow things outta proportion. Sure I like Honda and Ill stand by them just like you like Ford and will stand by them.

im suprised we kept this goin 5 pages strong without any unreasonable personal attacks :) nice to see.

i dont like many hondas, but i would take a vtec prelude, wouldnt pay for it, but id take it. my favorite cars are all german

a lot of people hire "illegal aliens" (Mexicans) in our country for the cheap labor...even at the wages these people offer the "illegal aliens", it's better than what they got in their home country and it's so much in fact that when interviewed, many said they send money home. I'd say they are doing pretty damn good if they are living and still sending money home. Besides, you miss the fact that they are illegal. They should be arrested and sent back home instead of being intentionally overlooked and allowed to work here anyways. Also, the fact that the illegals are doing jobs "Americans don't want" is no excuse for taking jobs Americans need.

While I'm on the subject of jobs and cost of living...I think welfare should be abolished and all Americans should contribute to society...if not, then they should be left to die. That's just nature...it's cruel sometimes, but society is only being dragged down by those that can't carry their own weight. Taxes are for the greedy, and donations are for the needy. If you want to help these pathetic people... by all means, go ahead, but don't take from my pocket.

WHOA

omg, i havent seen this thread since i posted. euro was right, no personal attacks.. awesome!

lol i just started this thread so all can comment on my sig right there.. people have said some things in random threads and i have gotten a few pm's.. just thought i would localize right there.. but look what i started.. lol niiiiice.

My girl just bought a 2004 Honda Civic EX with a body kit. I like her car more as far as looks, But my focus will blow her car away anytime.

Originally posted by EuroZX3
im suprised we kept this goin 5 pages strong without any unreasonable personal attacks :) nice to see.

We did? Or is that sarcasm? I think Infra posting the KKK thing (now removed) in reference to vanace was kind of an unreasonable personal attack.

CivicHatch+SVT-F, I am not blowing anything out of proportion. Maybe you don't see it, but that's how you and many other Honda owners come across: that Honda is some kind of infallible, untouchable entity which no other car company can ever hope to beat.

thats fine, how did i come across like that? There are people like that associated to every car make. heres a nice read:

http://www.edmunds.com/news/column/carmudgeon/101636/article.html?tid=edmunds.e.recentarticle...5.*

Originally posted by Infra3sv
http://pages.nyu.edu/~kkc206/wallpaper/honda-s2000-1280x1024.jpg


jap crap?

no sir, that is one hot car

ahh i missed the kkk thing. glad that got deleted :)

gon as far as illegal aliens and coming to work here, itd cost too much money to arrest all of them and send them back thats not realistic. bush wanted to make them illegal ( i say some kind of a temporary citizinship like the visa) so they could work at minimum wage but also be taxed. i think it may not be the most logical or ethical resolution but maybe the only one that would work. thing is politics are full of so much propaganda that the true intentions of his planned actions are always clouded and turned to a negative. it may be crossing a line of some form of slavery... but they way things are its a voluntary slavery, might as well tax their income like they do to every hard working american.

Infra your oversized pictures can burn in HELL they make it so much more of a pain to read

yes infra plz resize or we will have to remove them

Does that damn picture have to come up again? I have DSL and it still takes too long for this thread to load when that picture is on a page. If you ask me it was inconsiderate and childish of Infra to deliberately post such a huge picture just to make a point.

CivicHatch+SVT-F: you automatically are on the defensive any time the word "Honda" comes up in a thread. I suppose I could go back and reread this entire thread, but I don't recall you admitting anywhere that Honda has problems just like any other car manufacturer. You are quick to point out the failures of other cars, but slow to admit that Honda is not infallible.

Wasn't the problem with American paint jobs happening around the same time we banned leaded paint and leaded gas? I remember some fuel stations in the 80's that still sold leaded gas...now you buy some substitute in a bottle to add to the tank.

It wasn't until just recently that we had paints that could flex enough and bonded well enough to be durable on fiberglass bodies and plastics. The original plastic bumpers were all black plastic. Now (thanks to Dupont) we have many colors of paint that can bond to pretty much anything.

I realize it's not a logical solution to ship all illegal aliens back home, but according to law, that's exactly what should be done. I'm personally against sending them back. I just want them to pay their fair share, and to learn our language. That's all, but they do neither. At least learn our language...me no habla espaniol n mucho don't want to...I'd rather learn an asian language or German.

Originally posted by SVT4ME
CivicHatch+SVT-F: you automatically are on the defensive any time the word "Honda" comes up in a thread. I suppose I could go back and reread this entire thread, but I don't recall you admitting anywhere that Honda has problems just like any other car manufacturer. You are quick to point out the failures of other cars, but slow to admit that Honda is not infallible.

lol... dude, im hardly ever on the defensive. Most people on here are civil and dont bash. Sure if a thread pertaining to honda comes up I'll check it out, why wouldnt I? Hell, I've even AGREED with people on some pathetic hondas and ricers. people ask what certain hondas can run, I answer; some ask what the upside/downside to hondas are, I answer; I've even shared funny stories with BlkZX3 on some rediculous hondas we've both seen. You assume waaay too much dude.

Originally posted by Infra3sv
Jap crap?

Infra3sv, you have PM. Please review our TOS and choose your words more carefully.

Tom

im with u on them learning our language. i know that none of us would go to mexico and try to work without knowing spanish. i wish that law passed that to be an american citizen u have to speak english but for some reason it didnt go thru. i think it will eventually

Once again, I refer to this quote. I like how you are trying to make me out to be some kind of bully, pushing the little Honda guy around. [rolleyes]

BTW I just wanted to mention that I am not some sort of rabid Ford fan. My family actually used to HATE Fords based on past ownership experiences with a Fairmont and a string of Escort company cars back in the 1980's. Ford and other American car companies have made a serious turn around (yes, aided in part by competition from companies outside of this country) and deserve credit for that rather than being bashed as imitators of the Japanese and built by fat lazy slobs. I like all kinds of cars, and let me state for the zillionth time that I own an 86 Toyota MR2 and learned to drive stick on an 86 Civic Si.

Originally posted by CivicHatch+SVT-F
its amazing how disrespectful some of you are to the main company that started the sport compact scene. If it wasnt for imports, your precious Focus would still be the King of Recalls since the foreign market is topping reliability and SVT wouldnt have lifted a finger to give you a nice performance Focus.

Originally posted by SVT4ME
Once again, I refer to this quote. I like how you are trying to make me out to be some kind of bully, pushing the little Honda guy around. [rolleyes]

so i say one thing outta line and bam... And as for the rest of that besides the first sentence, its TRUE. There are plenty of articles that I've read to back that up.

I was waiting 4 this, when Chris aka CivicHatch would get 2 this. Just my comment.

Originally posted by SVT4ME
Once again, I refer to this quote. I like how you are trying to make me out to be some kind of bully, pushing the little Honda guy around. [rolleyes]

BTW I just wanted to mention that I am not some sort of rabid Ford fan. My family actually used to HATE Fords based on past ownership experiences with a Fairmont and a string of Escort company cars back in the 1980's. Ford and other American car companies have made a serious turn around (yes, aided in part by competition from companies outside of this country) and deserve credit for that rather than being bashed as imitators of the Japanese and built by fat lazy slobs. I like all kinds of cars, and let me state for the zillionth time that I own an 86 Toyota MR2 and learned to drive stick on an 86 Civic Si.

and let me state for the zillionth time that my first car was an Escort (learned stick on that), my mom had a ZX2, my best friend matt gave me the first thrill of speed with his 11 second mustang, my g/f's track car is a 72 Camaro that we are restoring right now and putting a 350 stroked out to a 361, her dad has a low 10 sec Nova, all her brothers drive 5.0's (all in the low 12's), and my other friends brother has a 96 mustang with a lightening stroked 351 built for NOS and supercharger. Plus my personal friends with 13 second civics and Integra's.

Originally posted by EuroZX3
im with u on them learning our language. i know that none of us would go to mexico and try to work without knowing spanish. i wish that law passed that to be an american citizen u have to speak english but for some reason it didnt go thru. i think it will eventually

I already had one of these racist encounters on the weekend and now it's bad enough 2 read it on here, some lady told my mom she needed 2 learn english or begone and called her the M word. Thanks and now this brings back memories and I just can't beleive this type of attitude is here. When will the world get along with people of other races??? Whatever. And 4 your info, in Mexico they learn english 2 accomodate u guys, when u visit.

not to stray from the subject, but I bought my focus because I liked it. I like american cars, though this is the first one I've owned. My last ride was a 92 Integra GSR with over 15K invested in engine and suspension tuning alone. But anyway, I just wish we as Americans would do a better job at our jobs so that we wouldn't have to "catch-up" with the foreign market. I don't understand... isn't our technology supposed to surpass that of other countries? Why does a civic still outperform a focus (zx3 vs. ex) in handling, braking and acceleration when the focus costs more? Even the SVT can't outperform a civic Si. And the civic gets better gas mileage.

lol... like american companiese dont do the same. Ever here of a nice lil company called Wal-Mart? Hiring illegal aliens at rediculously low wages to work in them.

How about reading the whole story pal? Walmart contracted a cleaning company. THAT company hired the illegals. Not Walmart.

Originally posted by ViSioNarY
Even the SVT can't outperform a civic Si. And the civic gets better gas mileage.

Which Si are you referring to? If you mean the current generation Si, then you are wrong. The SVT outperforms that one, and quite nicely.

yea, and wal-mart knew it... so ur point?

Originally posted by SVT4ME
Which Si are you referring to? If you mean the current generation Si, then you are wrong. The SVT outperforms that one, and quite nicely.

yeah, please elaborate on that one or post a link to where you read that. I dont see how the new or old gen SI could have outperformed the SVT Focus

lol... you like twisting things around dont ya? Of course I include Honda as import but not as the main reason why US auto manufacturers are getting better. I thought I made that clear Ford is the least reputable US company. Want an example? In the early 90's Ford tried duplicating the water-based colors that japanese companies started using. It was an utter failure. The paint would get soooo washed-up only after about 5 years. My bosses had an Aerostar van from the first year they did this. They did a recall on the paint but want to know why they didnt get a new paint job?? Because they said the car had 2,000 miles more than the recall allowed for. How exactly does the mileage of a vehicle determine the longevity of a paint job?


You just can't get it right. In 1974, because of the EPA, and is still being pressed today, auto manufactures tried water based paint. Long before japan did. Ford recalled there product yes, with milage and age limits. GM didn't recall. Point is, the japanesse companies tried it years later and had the same problem. Who is slow to learn?



We did? Or is that sarcasm? I think Infra posting the KKK thing (now removed) in reference to vanace was kind of an unreasonable personal attack.

I didn't see that one. Wish I did. So I could get nice and angry.

Originally posted by ViSioNarY
Why does a civic still outperform a focus (zx3 vs. ex) in handling, braking and acceleration when the focus costs more? Even the SVT can't outperform a civic Si. And the civic gets better gas mileage.

Better gas mileage...yes. But on all the other points you are horribly misinformed. The ZX3 can outperform an EX in anything any day of the week and likewise for the SVT over the SI. Make sure you have facts next time not just here-say.

im with u on them learning our language. i know that none of us would go to mexico and try to work without knowing spanish. i wish that law passed that to be an american citizen u have to speak english but for some reason it didnt go thru. i think it will eventually
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I already had one of these racist encounters on the weekend and now it's bad enough 2 read it on here, some lady told my mom she needed 2 learn english or begone and called her the M word. Thanks and now this brings back memories and I just can't beleive this type of attitude is here. When will the world get along with people of other races??? Whatever. And 4 your info, in Mexico they learn english 2 accomodate u guys, when u visit.


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Maybe the way euro said it gets you on edge. It should read "i wish that law passed that to be an american citizen u have to Know how to speak english". either way it is no way a racist remark. And knowing euro, it for sure wasn't. The bill that failed was to make english the official language of the US. That should be the case without a doubt.


mr civic.. it is not walmarts job to police its contractors. They sent out a bid request and picked the company because they thought they were the best for the job. Walmart is not the INS.

But bashing Walmart is fashionable.. just like bashing American cars is. So it fits

From the Edmunds 2002 comparison test:

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/57200/page009.html

The times are slow for all the cars due to the testing style, but the SVT still comes out on top at .6 of a second faster to 60. A few tenths of a second faster on the 0-60 might be a little more realistic in terms of what a performance car enthusiast with some driving skills and a willingness to abuse the clutch, tires and transmission could do. It stopped from 60mph 11 feet shorter than the Si, ran the slalom 2.2mph faster and brought in a faster lap time. Not to mention they really didn't have much nice to say about the car other than the typical stuff auto journalists always say about Hondas: good gas mileage, good resale value, smooth-running motor, etc. So, the Si performs better than the SVT how exactly? Honda made a HUGE mistake in softening up the current-gen Si rather than building on what they had in the previous Si coupe...

Originally posted by CKA
I already had one of these racist encounters on the weekend and now it's bad enough 2 read it on here, some lady told my mom she needed 2 learn english or begone and called her the M word. Thanks and now this brings back memories and I just can't beleive this type of attitude is here. When will the world get along with people of other races??? Whatever. And 4 your info, in Mexico they learn english 2 accomodate u guys, when u visit.

funny you say "you guys" and imply that i am racist. i am actually mexican and spanish, last name is aguilar, im just not too proud of a hispanic to admit that english is the primary language in the USA and needs to stay that way. no one isnt saying they dont get along with other races, from a business standpoint, if you are going to another country to work, live, and be a citizen... learn the language. try being a debt collector and calling an illegal that charged up a credit card for 9 grand but doesnt speak english when it comes time to pay it. not saying just mexican illegals, but also russian, asian, and others. its nothing racist.

Thank u Vanace 4 clarifying. Sorry, I apologize, lately I have been jumpy on the whole racism attacko n Mexicans crap. Thanks. [:I] [:)] [:I]

I just apoligized Euro aka Mr.Aguilar. Sorry once again.

its ok. i re-read it and saw how it could be considered offensive. so i understand your aggression. no worries.

Mexicans don't learn English to accomodate Americans in Mexico...very few learn English because they want our money from tourism. That's all. Once you leave the tourist cities, it's 99.99% spanish speaking. How come your mom doesn't speak English? How long has she lived here? If she's an American citizen, then she needs to know the American language.

Euro was responding to my remarks, and I'm by no means a racist person. I just feel like you're in our county, the least you could do is learn our language...I don't see how that's racist. I call it respect for our culture. I think people that have lived here for over 5 years and still can't have a conversation in English are very disrespectful people.

"When will the world get along with people of other races???"...when we can break down the barriers of communication. I have friends of many different races, and some speak broken English, but you know what...they at least try. Race isn't the problem, your language is. I'm not agreeing with the person that said your mom should go back to Mexico (how could I when I don't know the guy?), but that whole incident would have been avoided if she spoke English. That's easier than changing a culture and it's primary language to suit you. You also said "the M word"...what's wrong with being Mexican or saying "Mexican"? Maybe you have some issue that your not mentioning. Perhaps a little racist yourself? Did you call that guy a redneck as you left the store? You certainly didn't dust off your shoulder, and move on.

I think ALL foreigners should learn English when coming into America...AMERICANS PAY to teach English to immigrant children, but the adults show no interest at all...it's just disrespectful (on top of the financial burdon on our society). How many countries pay to educate Americans on their languages? NONE

Oh, and calling "racism" is really weak. The conversation is about languages and you made people cave and back step because of that weak retalliation. I've been there, done that...maybe say something intelligent next time, and practice some tollerance to other peoples beliefs.

DEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!

All foreigners take our jobs...that's what's so great about foreign trade, but like was said before, those countries that don't trade back become a problem. Who really cares about the jobs? It's the money that's important. Exchange of goods/services is where the money is...I'll give my job to a machine if the machine produces a product that I can exchange for other goods I need.

It's a South Park reference, sorry if you didn't see the episode

whatchu talkin bout, Willis? LOL..I did see it, but you didn't use quotes, so I though it was a comment from you directly...see where miscommunication gets us? LOL

"Gee, Mr. Obvious, I never made the connection." LOL

this thread needs to die........ it's intierley too long........... it started off as a joke by focuzsport, now it's this big debate about stuff that has NOTHING to do with foci.......

Here here sexy2002svt. I saw the thread title and was SO not surprised to see EIGHT pages. You start a thread like this and you know you're going to have about $2000 after you add up averyone's $0.02.

bump

Originally posted by Infra3sv
bump

[rofl]

OMG what a thread that i started.. got to a big debate about car manufactuars and now about racist.. this is great, i am the FF.com God. werd

oh and HAHAHAH sorry to get off topic but... who likes my sig?


haahaha

I don't

I love your sig! Where do u get those??

I love your sig too. It needs to be bigger lol

Very graphic young man, very graphic....But yeah, it makes me smile

Originally posted by FucusUnderground
Here here sexy2002svt. I saw the thread title and was SO not surprised to see EIGHT pages. You start a thread like this and you know you're going to have about $2000 after you add up averyone's $0.02.

Actually it's on 3 pages for me[:D]

I like your sig, Fokuzsport. Reminds me of the old days when I first joined this site.

oh well,,,cant we all just get along.....lol. the sig is funny,,,but why all the racism over a honda? they are good cars, didnt start the tuning scene,,,,,,that all started a long time ago with those big muscle cars and young high school kids,,,now its a phenomenom,,,but anyway jap cars are more reliable as many svt owners can attest to having problems within the first few thousand miles,,,,enough of this and lets all just have fun doing what we do

.....lol. the sig is funny,,,but why all the racism over a honda?

There is no racisim here. Racism is a serious issue and calling racism shouldn't be taken lightly, and shouldn't be thrown around. Please refrain from that. If you read the posts, you would see many of our reasons for not supporting japanese products.

Originally posted by fokuzsport
oh and HAHAHAH sorry to get off topic but... who likes my sig?


haahaha

I liked it......Just wished more people didn't have such tunnel vision and could see what your thread was about. Ummmm, i caught it in about 5 seconds.