What will i have to do to be able to beat a trans am Ws6,using as small amoun of money as possible-----------------NO NITROUS..........??????

Sorry this is wishful thinking with a small amount of money. That's a 13 second car. I think your best bet of keeping up is FI.

Maybe FI and a shot of NO2. The WS6 is one bad mofo. As much as I love the Focus I'd give her up for one in a heartbeat.

Yeah, sorry for us to all be downers here, but you'd have to spend a lot of money to get into WS6 territory. Look at the specs for the 2001 model:

Top speed : 165 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 5.2 sec.(manual), 6.0 sec.(auto)
0-¼ mile : 13.4 sec @ 106.2 mph(manual)
60-0 braking distance : 120 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.88 g

That's bone-stock, no mods. Never been a big fan of the styling of that car (screams butt-ugly to me) but you have to got to respect numbers like that (except maybe for the handling numbers). Your best bet with a car like that is to get him onto a very twisty road and beat him by outhandling him on the curvy stuff.

We have a 2002 WS6 and a 2003 SVTF. Hahaha, sorry you'll need a few prayers and "as little money as possible" doesn't fit into this catagory. Maybe www.focus-power.com can help you. I'm a V-8 hata' but this car makes me think twice...

Edit - We once almost ran it with nitrous, we were told it could handle a 150 shot stock. Look out, make sure you know what you're racing. BTW - handling is typical RWD crap so maybe in the twisties you could take it.

Trans-am = Muscle Car
Focus = Economy Car
They are the total opposite. That's like trying to get the Trans-am to get 30+ MPG
You could maybe keep up with a V-6 but not a T/A, keep dreaming. You will need ALOT of $$$

No matter what you do to your Focus (aside from turbine engine, lol), that WS6 will snort you up its Ram Air nostrils and spit you out the dual exhaust. End of story.

Haha...great way of putting it there Liquid.

You'd need a big boost custom turbo to run down an LS1 powered rwd car, sorry. Big boost isn't cheap either. To beat that T/A, expect to spend atleast 7grand.

Yeah, I saw a WS6 commercial a few years back, and I will never forget it...

It's nighttime, and a sports car (I think it was a Mustang maybe, but it doesn't really matter) is sitting at a red light. You hear this rumble, and a black WS6 pulls up behind it. The WS6 driver revs his engine... sucks the car up into the Ram Air nostrils and spits its smoldering carcass out the dual exhaust. I was laughing my ass off... it was hilarious. That was one of the best car commercials I have ever seen.

Now every time I see a WS6 behind me, I am like NOOOO, GO AWAY!!!!

V-8 Conversion Kit would do it. But that's major $$$

oh my god, focus, your pengiun sig is so [:)][:)][:)][:)]ing cool!

I can tell you how to do it for free.

Ok, there may be some risk involved, but all you need to do is create some sort of distraction then when the WS6 owner is not looking, remove 2, maybe 3 or 4, of his plug wires. Perhaps he might not notice the rough idle.

hahahahaha now THAT is funny

hahaha...yeah, funny and sad at the same time!!

haha[rofl]

I hate to be a downer, but "what he said " applys here, I've driven a ws6 and its prety quick stock, if modded there is no way, however, the plug wire trick would work, all you really need for that one is a really HOT girlfriend willing to go topless for a short period of time[:D]

For anyone interested in more information about the WS6 (maybe the person who started this thread?), here's where I found those specs:

http://www.modernracer.com/history/pontiacfirebirdtransamws6history.html

Has the "pro's and con's" of the car plus excerpts from some reviews. There is also a handful of pictures, including that hideous yellow one that I guess was the last of the run. There is a guy in my area who owns one of those and he put a HUGE yellow vinyl "screaming chicken" decal on the back window. I remember the car sitting on the lot at the dealer for a very long time before it finally sold. Speed's great but it's nice to have a car that's not ugly as hell, too. But I guess style is a very subjective matter. [8]

i wasnt tryin to be cheap....i was seeing wut i would have to do...i will spend the money...im jus finding the cheapest way.....o....and wouldnt alll engine internals without some kind of forced induction have it running low 13's....with out turbo..or supercharged..just internals??

Yeah, I beat one of those WS6-ers once... Course it was parked... & I ran over the driver... Then I threw a beer can at him afterwards... Yeah I beat his ass! Stick it to the man!

[headbang]

You cannot run low 13s in a Focus just by replacing the internals on the Zetec block. No way. You cannot do that without FI.

$5200 turbo
$2000 bolt ons
$600 nitrous
and then whatever stickier tires cost

then you'll kick his ass!

oh yeah, make sure you gut the hell out of your car too.

fast than a trans am ws6 for under 20K! not too bad if you ask me...

not to mention your getting way better gas mileage

Miracles aren't cheap.

i have a cheap way...
find a gun and point the guy with when the race start...

he will be scare and if you are lucky he will slam the breaks...
and you will have the win !

if you are not lucky just shoot to the tires !

good luck !

wut is an F1????//????

SOMEONE KEEPS SAYING I CANT BEAT A TRANS-AM WITH OUT A F1>>>>>

FI is Forced Induction, personaly I don't think you will beat it with FI you might hang with it but not beat it.

that's FI... like eye. forced induction. turbo, supercharger.

It's FI (Forced Induction) not F-one...ya know.. turbocharger, supercharger, turbo tornado

hahaha...we all swarmed on that like some hornets...don't rule out the turbos focus. If you are good enough to do it, you can have an 8.47 car like the Meguiar's drag car, but then if the T/am did the same thing...lol...your just gonna see dust

just ran the numbers at this link. http://www.corral.net/tech/horsepower.html
You need 275 hp. using a car w/ driver weight of 2900 lbs. This matches the quarter mile speed of 106 given earlier in the thread. Hell, that's only 137.5 hp per liter.

lol.......my bad....but damn.......yall jus threw that on me....ok fI-forced induction----ya know-vortech supercharger--------turbo kits---i jus never called them fi's,,,,,......i say it the long way....lol

Or you could completely strip your car then you would be running pretty quick

Beat it with a hammer....no...don't do that...I'd love to own one of those beauties.

FI is the way to go. I saw a focus at Cardomain that had ford racing parts that claimed a 13.7. This guy had everything. I don't remember if it was naturally aspirated. Its very hard to concentrate with focus' videos on my screen. The focus isn't a drag car like the WS6 is. Just race one on a curvy road.

Anything's possible if you have enough money. Tom's turbo car was pushing a lot of horsepower, last I read on this site. The Focus can be made to beat the WS6, it just won't be cheap. At some point you have to weigh the benefits versus the total cost, and you'll probably arrive at the conclusion that the money would be better spent towards a car that goes faster to begin with.

That's just me, though. I mean, if I had the kind of money necessary to build a Focus as fast as a WS6, I'd just buy a clean low-miles Mustang with a 5.0 and build THAT. [8D]

handling is typical RWD crap so maybe in the twisties you could take it.

sorry pal, but a rear wheel drive can be made to handle far better than a front wheel drive. Remember the elf racing cars in the '70s? (indy style cars) they tried front wheel drive, but got there ass handed to them. Rear wheel drive is the standard for road racing period. The fact that the firebird handled at .88 g's was more a compromise to sell more cars. Earlier firebirds and comaro's handled better than that.

sorry pal, but a rear wheel drive can be made to handle far better than a front wheel drive.

Well are you saying it handles better stock or needs work?

We have a WS6 and I'm telling you it would be taken in an autocross. Especially if it's a wet track, then the WS6 is toast.

We had a 2001 WS6 Ram Air for about a month before we traded it, handling sucked ass, but at our local 1/8 our best speed was about 84.00 thru the traps, I had it once up to 135 and I still had plenty of pedal left, fun fun cars but just try to put friends in the back seat[:D]

Originally posted by focus


You could maybe keep up with a V-6

Axtually I think this would be a drivers race stock to stock. The V6's are dogs stock.

Here is what it takes to beat a WS6: "take a corner"

after you make a turn, if you know what your doing, the WS6 will be in the trees.

ok guys do some research, youcan beat a stock WS6 w/ lots of mods, you can do it all motor or FI, or a littlw of both, nitrous would help, look at Toms car, look at Focus Centrals car,this can be done, this crap with you guys going on for 2 pages telling the guy he cant beat them is rediculous( the GTP) thread, IT CAN BE DONE, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, have none of you learned anything from being on this forum? and yeh w/ a few mods and hell even stock youd own the bitch on an autox or road course, but this will cost mony, nothing is free, you would have to be very comitted and be into throwing lots of time and mony at this, you cant build a 13 sec focus for nothing, but then again you cant buy a WS6 for nothing either

Originally posted by blkfocusaem
What will i have to do to be able to beat a trans am Ws6,using as small amoun of money as possible-----------------NO NITROUS..........??????

Invite the WS6 to an autocross, and assuming you can drive, you'll beat him just fine without doing anything else.

http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/index.html

Sincerely,

Beetle

Enough of the autocross crap! Get over it already, quit making excuses. This seems to be the common thing with focus owners, whenever they lose or race a faster car it always ends up being, well I could beat him on a road course.

You don't drive to work or to eat or shop on a road course. You drive on local roads with traffic lights. 99% of racing on public roads is drag racing, stoplight to stoplight. Thats what he asked about. He didn't say, umm, well if I go to limerock and pay $ 150 and take 4 hours of road course instruction ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON can I beat a WS6? No, he wants to out drag him.

Look at racing worldwide, road courses also, RWD ownz.

Hey, I'm just trying to give the guy some HOPE, right? LOL

Originally posted by DiscGolferGreg
handling is typical RWD crap so maybe in the twisties you could take it.
Name any exotic that isn't RWD, any racing league that has FWD cars. The only thing that makes a FWD car better in handling is the fact that it is very very hard to lose control of a FWD car.

Speedvision's Speed World Challenge Touring Car series has FWD cars.

http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts.html

Sincerely,

Beetle

yeah I watch it. the RSX is the best one, but those cars are factory cars to begin with and they can not be changed to RWD. The BMW stills beats them even when it has a 200 pound penalty on it.

Name any exotic that isn't RWD

Why? This post is about a Focus vs. a WS6. How did we get on the topic of exotic cars anyway? [scratch]

because you said that the handling is typical RWD crap. So you are saying that all RWD handle like crap and if that is true than why are exotics RWD, because RWD cars can handle better than FWD cars. That is why the WS6 can put out the same numbers a Focus can on a skidpad, it may not turn in as quick but considering it's well over 3000 pounds you can expect that.

RWDs will never take corners like a FWD, exotics aren't made to do tight autoXs, so if you're telling me that a focus would do an autoX better as a RWD, you're very wrong.

Bucciali TAV 30 [:D]

never said anything about autox crap. I assume you mean the kind that are setup in a parking lot. Small car, small corners equal good. I'm not talking only about exotics, read my post. I'm talking about RWD cars in general.

Name any exotic that isn't RWD

I'm not talking only about exotics

read the whole post

most exotics arnt even front engine let alone front wheel drive.....exotics suck anyway, GT(40) rules all

Point overall is, a RWD can be made to handle better than a FWD car.

Sure there are racing bodies that run FWD cars but they aren't as fast as the same classed RWD cars.

Autocrossing is the most [:)][:)][:)]gity motorsport IMHO, its for folks who can't/won't go to a road course. Cones in a parking lot is just abundantly retarded.

i dunno circle track is down there as well, i mean going around, and around.......and around, too many ppl are cheap and wont dish out the cost of a real road course, we tried to get a g2g at a road course last yr, tons of ppl wussed out [thumbd] drag racing is good and cheap though, well getting into the track is anyway.....

Drag racing as well as autox are good cheap ways to get people into real forms of roadracing...I'm not saying that to "dis" anyone, but lets face roadracing costs big BIG bucks and takes alot of work ( I do it I should know, nuts, there is no smiley showing you empty pockets!)...I look at them as such, I drag and it is fun, at the more serious levels it is real racing with real money, but for most of us, its just to go see what your car will do...woohoo17.3 at 74 mph, its weird to here someone excited about that...but hey as long as they are having fun.
Now, back to the ws6...Yes you can do some crazy mods and take one. As an example, I am sure Toms car would eat one up, now lets suppose the guy with the ws6 has the kind of time and money in his car tom does, ooopps.. you just got got smoked!
Remember, most people with hot cars always play with them. I have a pretty fast mustang and screwed with a 66 nova about two months ago and he tore me up..bad, and I have a twelve second car, this guys old nova was FAST. I told a friend and he said, of course, all the old novas left are mean....good point..

Get a Terminator Cobra, and you wont get sucked up the Ram Air nostrils.

Those GM's are big, ugly, and heavy.

Originally posted by inline_engine_lover
RWDs will never take corners like a FWD, exotics aren't made to do tight autoXs, so if you're telling me that a focus would do an autoX better as a RWD, you're very wrong.

i dunno what you have been drinking...but my brothers ws-6 with about the same suspension mods as me would outhandle me any day of the week.

Jonny Bolt is right......What the SVTF may not be able to do, the Terminator Cobra will, let that ugly Ram Air suck up some Ford exhaust and we will see who will cry wolf. [:D]

Having owned both FWD and RWD, put them both on a wet autox, road course, strip or just whatever and the FWD will wins hands down.[;)] .......RWD cars do not handle well on wet roads......[rolleyes] trust me....just ask my insurance agent.[;)]

Originally posted by DiscGolferGreg
We have a 2002 WS6 and a 2003 SVTF. Hahaha, sorry you'll need a few prayers and "as little money as possible" doesn't fit into this catagory. Maybe www.focus-power.com can help you. I'm a V-8 hata' but this car makes me think twice...

Edit - We once almost ran it with nitrous, we were told it could handle a 150 shot stock. Look out, make sure you know what you're racing. BTW - handling is typical RWD crap so maybe in the twisties you could take it.

Handles like crap my ass it would run circles 'round a Foci. skidpad is like .095g avg almost as good as the Vettes

Originally posted by Jonny Bolt
Get a Terminator Cobra, and you wont get sucked up the Ram Air nostrils.

Those GM's are big, ugly, and heavy.

Its sad the Terminator needs a supercharger just to beat it and doesn't handle too much better with that IRS vs the solid rear axle of a F-Body[:p]

Originally posted by ososickzx3
Handles like crap my ass it would run circles 'round a Foci. skidpad is like .095g avg almost as good as the Vettes

This run circles 'round a Foci would depend upon the driver of the WS6, in the twisties the SVTF would have some advantage over the WS6. We have a very close friend and I speak for him on this," having a WS6 trust me it handles like sh**."

a thank you

YOUR BEST BET WOULD BE A CAMARO SS WITH A HURST SHIFTER

My brother has a 2002 Trans Am, #326 if I do remember right in anniversary orange. His car no matter what I do to my focus will out do me on any gt course or circle track, we both grew up driving and racing RWD and well to tell the truth I rather run a GT course with some tight turns with a RWD, Why do you ask, I rather be able to drift with some HP on the back tires to keep the control going other than a FWD where if you come in to fast you lock up the damn front tires then have no control at all

RWD over FWD anyday

WHO CARES! the fact is the rwd is alot more fun sliding around like a loon is a blast...okay, that was my feeble opinion

Okay people this argument is pointless [?|] Some like FWD, others RWD, one handles better than the other, yes? No?

It is still opinion but I must say put both on a wet road the FWD will win hands down, RWD dont handle well when on wet surfaces. I've owned Mustangs, Camaros, old and new, h** even drove a 69 Ford Falcon with the stock 289. All handle like sh** when H20 hits the tires.

blkfocusaem, Sorry man but this is what I would do, send the SVTF to ATI so that they can put the Cobra's V8 in, all this can happen for just a mere $69,500, plus donor Focus. After a 70-day turnaround you can have the ultimate sleeper Focus, and it will even sport a two-year, 24,000-mile warranty on all workmanship and custom components. Quote......End Quote Focus Fanatic Mag. Article: The Fast and the Curious page 26-30........see do this, make sure the road is dry then beat the WS6 and lookie, lookie you did it all without using NOS.[;)]

Pick a RWD over a FWD, then go sell your FWD and buy a RWD and make yourself happy.[:D]

it would be cheaper to build the 2.0 and run shit loads of boost

Autocrossing is the most [:)][:)][:)]gity motorsport IMHO, its for folks who can't/won't go to a road course. Cones in a parking lot is just abundantly retarded.

This is by far the single most ignorant thing I've read to date on any board. I'm pretty sure you stand alone on that comment. If not, I can count the followers on my fingers.

Originally posted by DiscGolferGreg
This is by far the single most ignorant thing I've read to date on any board. I'm pretty sure you stand alone on that comment. If not, I can count the followers on my fingers.

This is one of those power behind the words statement.......I'm with you all the way on this one.[thumb]

I second the comment on the board.

well ummm........aaaaaaaa.......yeh road courses are better....but damn are they $$$