: Focus TDCi
05-01-2004, 08:51 AM
Should Ford bring the Focus TDCi to the states?......And would it sell?
(Refer to VW's TDI being sold on U.S. soil)
(Refer to rising Gas/Diesel CO$T)
05-01-2004, 09:21 AM
I think Ford will have better luck selling a Hybrid Focus than a diesel version.
05-01-2004, 09:26 AM
im not sure how that will do, plus no all gas stations sell diesel, only some. i want the rs, screw the diesel.
05-01-2004, 11:51 AM
The VW diesel has been in production forever. I'm not sure about the Ford.
05-01-2004, 07:23 PM
i think they should bring it over. (though i do not know a whole lot about it)
desiel fuel is not that hard to find. sure its not at every corner gas station, but it is not hard to find by any means, atleast not around here. besides, doesnt desiel get better mpg then gas? and atleast around here it is cheaper.
05-01-2004, 10:05 PM
that would actually be pretty cool. considering that the vw tdi gets about 50mpg. and around here deisel isn't hard to find but what can you say, i live in a oil and farming town.
05-01-2004, 10:24 PM
more gas stations offer diesel now (at least in Chicago) than few years ago, but I agree with HOTFOCUS. Ford would make a smart move bringing hybrid Focus then diesel to USA. I would buy hybrid Focus for sure and not because I am a green freak, I just like to save money.
05-02-2004, 05:18 PM
amen....gas prices are getting crazy!!!!
05-02-2004, 05:26 PM
I think it could be a good idea. I know VW kind of has a hold on that market, but does it necessarily mean if Ford came up with a car of same type no one would buy it? I know my gauge is about at the 1/4 full mark but I've been avoiding driving whenever possible lately so I can delay having to fill up... it's not gonna be a good time.
I think a TDCi Focus would be great for commuters who do like 100 miles a day and have to fill up their tanks all the time but don't want something like the Prius or Insight. A hybrid Focus would be real cool too... maybe we'll see one sometime, they've already put a hybrid engine in the Escape.[idea]
05-02-2004, 05:36 PM
i dont think i would want a hybrid... arent those things slow? a desiel i could defiantly use. i drive atleast 60 miles a day, 6 days a week, even the cheap gas is expensive when you use that much of it.
05-02-2004, 06:26 PM
We all have to keep in mind that the Focus TDCi would be for all the folks like myself that drive hundreds of miles every week and don't want to spend hundreds of dollars at the fuel pump every week. TDCi gets awesome MPG, diesel engines can go longer between oil changes, and tune ups come with less frequency. Why? Diesel engines tend to be more durable than regular engines. I didn't say better, just more durable. In the world we live in, some of us need an engine that isn't going to need that many trips to the fuel station, and a automobible that isn't going to look as funky and out there as the Honda Insight. Our current answer to this situation is, the VW TDi. Who knows, in the future we might have another opinion in the Ford Focus TDCi. I don't see why Ford shouldn't test out the Diesel market in the states. I trust given trial and error, Ford would come thourgh in an awesome way, and give the experienced WV TDi vehicles a good run........You never know....But cool idea....
05-02-2004, 06:31 PM
Just a thought (i dont know how accurate this is)
i know Ford used to sell a deisel Tempo. (my mother owned one when i was growing up) maybe the reason they have not sold a deisel focus here in the US is because of bad sales or problems with the tempo? someone with more knowledge please correct me if i am wrong, but could this have had an effect?
05-02-2004, 06:39 PM
I was unaware of that Urn... I think that could have been one of many factors in their decision not to do diesel again, but come now Ford- don't ya think part of the problem was that it's a Tempo?[;)]
I think given the Focus' high volume of sales and its distinctively European heritage, it is owed a diesel prototype- more people are commuting longer to work nowadays and I think (as Knight noted) that a diesel engine could be a good solution to an already great car.
05-02-2004, 07:12 PM
This is what I remember about the Ford Tempo. We had engine options of a 4 Cyl and
V6. What liters they were, that I don't remember off hand. The last Tempo available was the 1994 and then Contour took over the Mid-size class. As for a Diesel engine in the Tempo? My Dad always used to rent them, and even considered buying one for road trips and there was no evidence of a Diesel available...Besides Ford's powerful Truck division loaded with diesel engine options, I don't think Ford has ever tested the diesel market in the states with a passenger automobile.........Our wonderful U.K. neighbors have gotten a first crack at these great TDCi Focus automobiles..................I think that it should be our turn soon....................
(hint hint to Ford Motor Company)........................And by the way..............All the respect in the world to the RS..........I love every member in the Focus Family...........TDCi and RS are two models that serve two different purposes..........RS=Sports tuned performance........
TDCi=Awesome fuel mileage and durability............The RS you can take to the track (never race in the streets....we don't need to lose any more lives like this), and the TDCi you can take on very long road trips and don't need to spend as much on fuel.
05-02-2004, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Knight10JL
As for a Diesel engine in the Tempo? My Dad always used to rent them, and even considered buying one for road trips and there was no evidence of a Diesel available...Besides Ford's powerful Truck division loaded with diesel engine options, I don't think Ford has ever tested the diesel market in the states with a passenger automobile.........
please follow this link, and tell me if it looks like a deisel tempo to you:
i know there was a deisel tempo, we owned one.
05-02-2004, 07:37 PM
Very nice........You hadn't specified which particular year.........My dad was looking at the 1993 Tempo's.........Yours was an 1985.........8 years.....Big gap....At the time when we were offered engine options, dealer said there was no diesel available.....Then again, dealer could have been full of hot air too.........But cool, I've learned something new today.........I just hope Ford comes back bigger and better with their diesel department.........The Tempo wasn't a good shot at the market at all compared to what they are capable of today.........
05-02-2004, 07:41 PM
European TDCi engine (made by Ford) is one of the most advanced diesel engines in Europe. Its very good (because it is made in Germany). But the future is in hybrids. Diesels are faster than hybrids but I don't need a fast car as live in Chicago. I always wanted to have fast sporty car that is why I bought SVTF but my next car for sure will be a hybrid, because price of gas is higher and higher every week! police in Windy City is a real bitch so I don't drive fast. Does anybody know good excuse for a cop when he stops driver for speeding ????
05-02-2004, 07:44 PM
police in Windy City is a real bitch so I don't drive fast. Does anybody know good excuse for a cop when he stops driver for speeding ????
Cop says, "Do you know how fast you were going?" You say, "Do you know how fast you were going to keep up?"
05-02-2004, 07:47 PM
i think the deisel tempo we owned was an 86 or 87. i could be wrong on the year, but that is what sticks out in my head. glad i can teach you something new, i think you are the first on the site, lol [thumb]
yeah, while the gas milage was good, the overall car was not that great. we called it the beast, and for good reason. (well, part of that reason was the fact that my mother managed to forget to apply the e-brake and the beast rolled down a hill onto a boulder. towing it off ripped the exaust off from the engine back, and we didnt have the $ to replace it, that thing was loud....)
anyway, back on topic, yeah, if ford decided to bring the diesel focus here, it would be alot beter car. and a lot more succesful. i just hope ford realizes that.
05-02-2004, 10:20 PM
"Cop says, "Do you know how fast you were going?" You say, "Do you know how fast you were going to keep up?""
LOL! yeah this is a great excuse! thanks
05-02-2004, 10:23 PM
"excuse me sir, your eyes are blood shot, have you been drinking"
"excuse me officer, your eyes are glazed, have you been eating dougnuts."
05-02-2004, 11:18 PM
LOL!!! that is a good one too, hahahaha
05-02-2004, 11:46 PM
my dad has a TDi bug and i love it. If ford brought over the TDCi i would consider it with gas prices going up i'm already considering a TDi Golf
05-03-2004, 12:14 AM
Ok this sounds great for people who don't live in an area that has cold weather. But a diesel is a pain in the as$. I've owned a Ford PONY it was a two door hatch. Had to plug in the block warmer every night so it would start in the mornig. I think going with dieasel in a car is a bad idea it would be takeing a step back not forward. I've driven the Honda insight and honestly I liked the pick up on it. You can definately spin tires on a launch and with gear changes but the top speed of 80mph was the down fall I seen.
05-06-2004, 03:47 AM
You can't go wrong with 45-50 MPG........Think of the current WV's......I know that they have more experience with diesel engines, but I'm cofident that Ford would build a reliable and durable diesel automobile as a second opinion to the WV TDi's.............
05-06-2004, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Shady R
Ok this sounds great for people who don't live in an area that has cold weather. But a diesel is a pain in the as$. I've owned a Ford PONY it was a two door hatch. Had to plug in the block warmer every night so it would start in the mornig. I think going with dieasel in a car is a bad idea it would be takeing a step back not forward.
when my mother owned the deisel tempo, we lived in Vail, Colorado. maybe not as a cold as SD, but winters are not a walk in the park either. (considering the fact that the economy is entirely based on snow, we must have a little cold weather) yeah, it was kind of annoying to have to plug her in at night, but it was just something you got used to. it was just a small inconvience. i do not think that is a reason to say bringing a diesel focus would be a step backwards. engine block heaters are also available for gas engines, and i believe there are a few people that have them equipped. don't they come in the cold weather package for the svt? i would not call a diesel a step backwards. maybe sideways, but not backwards.