Shouldnt the S2000 and Z4 smoke my SVT?
I'm just wondering because I came up to an S2000 on a track in some twisties and he actually was slowing me down, at the straights he creeped away from me, but at the twisties i had no trouble overtaking him, I was under the impression that the S2000 was all around a better performer than my basically stock SVT...
Now as the Z4 is concerned, I came up to him on a more striaght oriented track and I had no trouble overtaking him on striaghaways, and since there werent many twisties I didn't really get to test against him there...
whats going on? aren't these 2 seaters faster and tighter than my SVT? I mean I've smoked my friend in his 90 miata, but thats because its a stock 90 miata... whats going on here??

Don't worry, the S2000 was probably just being piloted poorly. The AStock S2000 at my local club is dead fast, curvy lines or straight. I know nothing about Z4s, but... our cars not being known as straight line machines, that's just odd. Research seems to indicate you can get a Z4 with a 2.5l I6 which isn't all that much more powerful than our engines...

Don't worry, the S2000 was probably just being piloted poorly. The AStock S2000 at my local club is dead fast, curvy lines or straight. I know nothing about Z4s, but... our cars not being known as straight line machines, that's just odd. Research seems to indicate you can get a Z4 with a 2.5l I6 which isn't all that much more powerful than our engines...

i voted bad cars. you can never under estimate the svt.

bad drivers an S2000 will beat the SVT with simmler drivers i've seen it a couple times. there in no underestimateing the SVT they are a differnt class of cars.

neither driver was pushing it.

i have to say either they weren't pushing it or they are bad drivers

bad drivers. there is a reason why s2000 are in A stock, and Z4 in (im guessing) b or d stock. and the SVT is in G stock at the auto-x. Granted in road racing the field might level (idk, i only crush cones)

...hell maybe you are just a future legend in the track world.....go test some porsches

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I've only been into racing for a few years (7ish) and Ive only been driving the SVT for a year and a half now, and I'm still cautious with it, before the SVT i was a straight line racer (5.0 fox baby) doesnt take much skill at the power level i was racing (300rwhp), so i decided to jump to a different car since my "race car" is also my daily driver it has to be street legal and streetable, but i mean i was just sure that the z4 and s2000 were faster and tighter; i mean it could have been a base model z4, but i think both drivers were just inexperianced or babying it, leaning towards inexperianced since they both did some pretty stupid stuff...

Inexperienced and cautious....S2000 $30,000 plus and Z4 3.0i is another $40,000 plus. I think they were being careful with their babies. Hell, I beat the crap out of my car.....but i am cautious in corners with our lift or brake oversteer we get. If its your daily, or your sunday driver.....have to be careful.

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wtf? When did I say it was on public roads?

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wow getting seriousl mixed reviews on here..guess ill have to go to the local honda and BMW dealerships and test drive the cars myself to see how they perform..lets see 24 year old male..yeah they will let me test drive them :-) lol!

This thread will be locked down and dumped in the recycle bin if any more references to racing on the street are posted.
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59274

wow guys, seriously, im taking about TRACK RACING here, im looking for information, opinions and experiences AT THE TRACK please stop making references to street racing, i would like to know, to those of you not making street racing references thanks for the opinions/info

Well, so far I've only come up against a few S-2000s (stock class) when AutoCrossing.
As of this time, whether it be short track (parking lot) or long course (road course here in Helena) I haven't been bested by one yet.

I am of the opinion that the drivers were mainly trying to get a feel for their car, and weren't out to win any national championships.
That might explain why they never came to any more events. [dunno]
I would like to go up against one with a competitive driver to get a better idea though.
In that case, I most likely would get trounced big time. LOL!

BTW, I edited the thread title to help alleviate any "street" responses.

thanks WD40, thats how i feel about them

I voted drivers ,but it's not that cut and dry. The s2000 and the SVT are close enough that the way the track lays out could give advantage one way or the other. The Z4 was a bad driver. He should have schooled you.

z4 2.5 isn't very fast at all.

S2000 is pure sex though.

For the most part the local track Guru's around my area believe the S2000 to be too tail happy and not have enough downforce to be a competent autocross car, although they could are all biased towards the mini, 350Z and the Miata... so who knows.. The last s2k that came out spun on every run... but that's probably just the driver.. so good on you for beating bad drivers in better cars by being a better driver in a poorer car!

The z4 could have been an auto? BMW's are notorious for incredible gearing, handling and flat torque curves - even with the 2.5 I-6... well that all depends on what year too...

I was actually checking the national solo II results from the past couple years earlier today. The S2000 features very prominently in the top 5 A-Stock cars, pretty consistently. Properly prepped, it looks like it's one of THE cars in the class.

That said, autocross nationals are not necessarily indicative of all aspects of a car's track potential. I would consider it a pretty good barometer though...

Um...i never said anything about where i raced an s2k....all i said is i've run with one way into the triple digits and hung with him....get the panties out of a wad.

well, id say driver difference. If you think about it the S2000 isnt a lot faster in a line. The SVT handles almost as good. Hell, he could have had bad tires and you would have been fair. The SVT is an exceptional car and the S2000 is overrated. Keep that in mind. It should be faster than you, but not by an insane amount.

For the most part the local track Guru's around my area believe the S2000 to be too tail happy and not have enough downforce to be a competent autocross car,

Downforce? in AutoX where you get to maybe 60 mph for a few seconds? Lol.
the S2000 is overrated. Keep that in mind. It should be faster than you, but not by an insane amount.

have you ever driven one?

I voted bad drivers. If I paid 30grand+, and still paying on it, I would definitely baby my ride on a track. When I had my car on a track with a corvette I came up on it in the curves a few times. I automaticly chalked it up to the driver being cautious.

S2000's destroy me at auto-x. I know I'm not an SVT but I've got the suspension and am in steady competition with a G35 coupe right now. There's two local drivers that beat the balls off my times all the time. Last time I was really hot on the track but unfortunately, they were not racing that day, so I don't have a current comparison.

never autoX or tracked with a s2k but with the bmw i have and he beat me by 10 seconds(both fastest times) i dnt have svt either but had same suspension, also ax but i pusehd the car to the max lol

I've driven an S2000 and I managed to kick the tail end out. If you don't have brand spanking new tires with some real stickiness it is NOT hard to lose control in an S2000. But if you are a semi-professional driver, the S2000 is probably one of the best cars in the world on a track...I mean every magazine out there reads 'grip grip grip grip grip' when concerning the S2K...so it's all about the driver. The SVT is a great car for the track, but it's a lot more forgiving which means you can drive the hell out of it on the track and you'll probably come out unscathed. I dunno much about Z4s except that they are heavy and probably understeer at least a little bit. But if you pit two professional drivers against eachother, one in an SVT and one in an S2000, there is no doubt the S2000 would be victorious.

Driver. With the right driver, the S2000 is the faster car. That said, one of the primary blessings of the SVTF is how easy it is to drive fast and at the limit. It takes more skill and committment to get the most out of the S2000, so while it's limits are higher, it's harder to reach them.

Driver. No question.

noooooooooooo question.

^^^dude, you need to change your AV picture with the quickness.

lol off topic!!

i say that the s2000 would smoke ya... it had to have been being babied, ive driven an s2000 (once), but riden passanger alot and it is a very fast car and handles incredable.

Downforce? in AutoX where you get to maybe 60 mph for a few seconds? Lol.


In my area NASA hold autocrosses on a local oval speedway on which speeds of 70mph have been possible in a focus - of which one s2000 has already been totaled on during their circle drags.. along with a Jeep SRT8...

^^Those are two pretty feisty cars!

I stopped reading this thread at page 2 b/c I'm lazy, so this has possibly already been said: Auto crossing and Track racing is all about drivers. There is a guy here in a Saturn and he beats open wheel Lotus' and miatas. It's all in the driver. S2000s are light, RWD, high revving, and have beautiful gearboxes. Z4s are quick, but heavier, and poor visibility. If the best driver in the world drove each car, then we could determine the real outcomes, but it's all in the driver. You drive well. These guys don't. Simple as that.

s2000s are quik in a drag compared to a focus, i know from experience, i think id be ok w/ one on a roll though

either they weren't pushing it or they weren't good drivers. the s2000 can smoke the SVT on both straightways and curves even stock, modded that's another story. the Z4 well I've never seen one of those perform before but I assume it can handle and maybe accelerate better than the SVT.

What track were you at? Was it open lapping or was it a sanctioned event?

heads up at the strip I was even with w 2.8L Z3 . Z4's are very well balanced cars the 2.5 is 215 hp and the 3.0 is 240+

i agree with everyone else the drivers were not pushing their cars.

well, there was an S2000 at the lapping days, he was pushing it hard. So was i, we were about even in the corners, but in the straights, he had me fore sure!!! he slowly pulled on me about 1 second per lap, but only in the straights, but i'm a bit faster than a stock SVT.