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Timmeh! 05-11-2007, 11:48 PM alright, well to spare me the time of retyping it up, and to spare those of you who choose to avoid the backstory time, i'm gonna leave the story
here (http://focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120882)
moving on.
well as of right now i have:
an MTX75 tranny (with the right bell housing)
a garage to work in (car is already there)
plenty of people to help
and the whole front fascia and hood removed for conveinence.
tomorrow (technically this) morning i'm "talking with my parents" about "college and the car" and so i'm sure my plan will meet some resistance, but w/e. i already have a trans that is waiting to be shipped out (still need to find a place that can receive it). hopefully i can also convince my dad to provide "financial assistance" in the form of "direct payment for my engine".
i'll def keep everyone posted in here. when major work gets done pics will be uploaded accordingly. and if anyone has done a lot of research on this swap and has any comments and/or advice, please share.
Algorhythm 05-12-2007, 09:07 AM You're deciding to swap an engine/trans in a car rather than going to college?
MattZX3 05-12-2007, 09:11 AM im sure his parents are like mine
"stop putting the car before anything else..."
or
"what are you going to do with your life?...."
im sure their just nagging at him, because they dont WANT him to work on the car, and spend all of his time sitting in school...
well, gl man, make sure you keep us updated on how its going
Algorhythm 05-12-2007, 09:19 AM Education always should come first. You can always swap an engine in a car, the desire to learn fades in most people over time.
APGEcho 05-12-2007, 09:29 AM I'm helping with the swap, and last I heard from him, he was leaving for school in like... July. So I'm guessing what he means, "the car and school," is that he needs to get the car done before that :P
Algorhythm 05-12-2007, 10:39 AM Oh sounds good.. just hate to see people throw a lot of their good years away due to a project or something else that could have waited.
Happened to my girlfriend's father.
mpsii 05-12-2007, 11:09 AM What if your job aspirations ARE the car?
Algorhythm 05-12-2007, 12:40 PM Well then you picked the right career. [:)]
heelflip101 05-12-2007, 12:57 PM I just had to give up on a few upgrades, my scholarship coordinator lost my paperwork and I had one day to pay. Anyone want to donate to me? jk. I love the swap I really want to see it complete as well as see the final costs.
Ryan
Timmeh! 05-12-2007, 01:48 PM i'll def keep you guys updated.
and yes i am going to school.
California Polytechnic State University - San Luis Obispo.
for Computer Engineering. and we had the chat, i almost got my mom sold on the swap.
and yes the financial costs are being recorded.
RhodySVT 05-13-2007, 01:47 AM Yesssss! good luck bro, will be a sweet Foci when you pull it off!
Timmeh! 05-13-2007, 01:52 AM totally, the test drives will all be video taped.
raulfsa11 05-13-2007, 11:16 AM School first man, my parents are like... you are spending too much time on the car... or like it has too many problems... lol
cayres 05-13-2007, 11:43 AM i see your in northville mi so if you need any help because you have time constraints pm me i also have two friends who are great mechanics (went to school for it) who im sure would love to help in such a build.one built a malibu from a frame and it runs 12s and the other is like a master bodyshop paint guy and i am good at watching.....lol no seriously though if you need it ill help
eford1517 05-13-2007, 01:09 PM I wanna help!
nate2006 05-14-2007, 09:51 AM I tell you what I went to college and drove my Focus the whole time. I received grants to go to college and loans to live on and now I don't really have anything to show for all the damn money I need to pay back. Except my degree of course. Wish I would of spent any extra money I had on the car because now all my money goes to living expenses where as before college took care of a lot of those things for me (food and housing). I'm not saying to not go to college, what I'm saying is do the things you want now because your young and have the chance to do these things without the real world kicking you in the balls every once in a while. I see a blown engine as opportunity. Its great that your parents support you!
I think its sweet to see a V6 go in a focus and I can only imagine twin turbo and AWD being next somewhere in the Foci world! Keep us updated! And don't put a CAI on the V6 unless you by a bypass valve. [burnout]
Timmeh! 05-14-2007, 09:08 PM got the cams off today, and took the shifter and assorted BS out of the interior.
unfortunately teh head is bolted on with a dealer tool. since none of my torx bits would work, and neither would any of the ones at Murray's. so i'll have to drill out the bolts. (ugh.)
and yes, im getting a bypass valve, as well as avoiding small ponds posing as puddles.
heelflip101 05-15-2007, 01:22 AM so did you strip them?
Timmeh! 05-15-2007, 04:46 AM they're not stripped yet, but they were starting to since the torx i was using was too small. unless someone knows what size i need, im totally lost and will end up just drilling them out.
BobBernard 05-15-2007, 06:26 AM You're deciding to swap an engine/trans in a car rather than going to college?
I guess nobody read the posters Focus rally/drifting story.
If I was running the muddy back fields at night in a Focus taking
"rally vids" and "drifting into people" I also might reconsider college.
APGEcho 05-15-2007, 01:27 PM And who are you? No need to be a dick dude. He made a mistake, and is paying for it. He is a smart kid.
Timmeh! 05-15-2007, 02:00 PM hi!
yet another update (they're prolly gonna be almost daily from now on)
idk if i mentioned it yet, but during the tow we screwed up the crossmember and the drivers side headlight. the guy who was pulling the focus is buying me a new crossmember, and i just traded for some Hella headlights. i decided that black plastic wasn't for me. i dont seem to like anything stock, i have to make everything my own. i went to murray's and bought some textured metallic paint from duplicolor. i tossed on 3 medium coats, and a coat of clear to help the headlights endure highway driving. heres how they came out.
click the middle picture to really see how good they look, compression kills it.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0292.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0294-1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0293.jpg
they look that cool dark charcoal grey color in just ambient light. in direct sunlight they look jet black with silver metal flake in it, almost like a completely different paint. i'm loving the look, and the lights, either way.
Sid03SVT 05-15-2007, 02:11 PM dude good luck on the svtc swap, should be pissah once its done, and i like the headlights, if i didnt have HID's id get the projectors
TKE_Quailman 05-15-2007, 02:14 PM nice work on the headlights hope the swap is going well
Sid03SVT 05-15-2007, 02:15 PM btw you going to do an sc or tc? cause you probably could have just done an svt foci swap, i know the 6 is different, but theres also a weight issue, just throwin it out there peace
Timmeh! 05-15-2007, 02:34 PM sc? tc?
u have confused me. and in all reality how much extra do those 2 cylinders weigh? and im swapping to a manual, so that eliminates a little weight for all the extra automatic crap.
BobBernard 05-15-2007, 02:36 PM OK, got it.
Sorry for being a smart-arse.
TKE_Quailman 05-15-2007, 02:58 PM Super Charged or Turbo Charged
Timmeh! 05-15-2007, 03:38 PM O!, im stupid. she's gonna be N/A til i get more cash flow.
heelflip101 05-15-2007, 07:00 PM put some clear on those, it will last longer.
CantFocus 05-15-2007, 07:17 PM If you dont have the engine yet you could look for the 3.0 bottom end and then put the svtc head on there. Not sure of the exact numbers, but i believe it was around 300hp na with that setup
Black&Tan 05-15-2007, 07:30 PM Has anyone told you to talk to Jeremy from focussalvage about this swap? I'm sure he can give you a lot of insight seeing as he has firsthand experience with it.
BTW, i'm in Farmington Hills, So LMK if you want any help.
Timmeh! 05-15-2007, 09:02 PM i need jeremys number, i sent him an email and didn't get anything back yet.
and PM me if you want to pick up a wrench, i'll be doing a lot of work tomorrow and i'll definitely call anyone i can for help.
Timmeh! 05-16-2007, 10:24 PM alright, well the head and oil pan got taken off today, and the full carnage was revealed.
there are a total of 5 holes in the engine block.
i will explain each photo with a simple caption underneath. 56k you might want to take a nap or something.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0300.jpg
the cylinder head and intake manifold look fine, and pretty clean.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0301.jpg
the stock exhaust manifold is perfect of course.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0303.jpg
heres the first hole, up next to the exhaust header on the exhaust side of course.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0304.jpg
that light, is on the other side of the engine block. hole number 2 has been found.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0305.jpg
the dirt in the oil pan was from the puddle, the broken metal, from the destroyed rod. but why does it look like there are parts of the block in there?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0308.jpg
the piston from cylinder 2. it will be my shift knob. its a little heavy, but that's part of its charm.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0309.jpg
holes 3 and 4 are clearly visible. yes, the one on the left is right in the bottom of the engine block.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0310.jpg
looking through this massive hole, you can clearly see the crankshaft. you're actually looking right up cylinder 2. you can actually see the garage door above the cylinder on the right hand side. on the left you can get a peek at hole 5.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0311.jpg
right now, we're looking through hole 3 at hole number 5, which is on the lower part of the intake side.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0312.jpg
what remains of cylinder 2. you can see how much of the rod is still on the crankshaft.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0313.jpg
that light is directly under the whole engine.
so yeah, my engine is DESTROYED!!!! and the current theory is that when i hit that puddle i stopped before you could say HOLY SHOOT! and the force of the impact went right thru the trans and bent the rod. all this damage was caused the next day, when the rod finally got really hot, and broke.
dougy fresh 05-16-2007, 10:43 PM lol man dude i was there lol that cylinder was a bitch but ya we got it out me u and kenn. swiss cheese block lol.[nutkick]
heelflip101 05-16-2007, 10:52 PM I think you have a new trophy. Build it bigger and better! College sucks, keep it coming.
Timmeh! 05-16-2007, 11:00 PM that engine block is going to be a coffee table.
and i did put a coat of clear on the headlights (just to clarify).
that piston will be my shift knob, she fits well in the palm.
if it really starts pissing me off i can down size it, but i dont want to.
heelflip101 05-16-2007, 11:08 PM cool idea on the coffee table
Timmeh! 05-16-2007, 11:33 PM yup, im gonna turn the block over (gotta see the hole on the bottom) and just toss on a pane of glass.
APGEcho 05-17-2007, 06:45 AM Going to try and pull the trans today :) Getting closer and closer everyday to Deb 2.5
Timmeh! 05-17-2007, 11:40 AM yes, Duratec Equipped Beast V2.5
she will be sweet.
heelflip101 05-17-2007, 11:57 AM duratec 2.5 turbo?
TKE_Quailman 05-17-2007, 12:01 PM wow that engine was [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)] up
Timmeh! 05-17-2007, 02:35 PM she may just be a turbo, depends on how much $$$ i have.
and yes that engine is gone.
but i will make a great conversation piece as a coffee table :)
TKE_Quailman 05-17-2007, 02:41 PM ^ And Shifter Which Is An Awsome Idea
MightyMouse 05-17-2007, 04:35 PM http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g174/MightyMouse32287/pic28664.jpg
APGEcho 05-17-2007, 07:06 PM Couldn't get over to the house to pull the trans today. Possibly tomorrow.
heelflip101 05-17-2007, 08:20 PM MightyMouse32287 ^^^ I love it, thats what I need!!
MightyMouse 05-17-2007, 09:00 PM Did you notice whats in the cylinders???
APGEcho 05-17-2007, 10:38 PM Shoulda left the oil pan on and filled it with ice :)
heelflip101 05-17-2007, 10:54 PM Is that wine or beer?
MightyMouse 05-17-2007, 11:51 PM Wine.
Timmeh! 05-18-2007, 02:18 PM something like that, but im turning the block upside down. gotta be able to see all 5 holes lol. or i'll stand it on it's side and turn it into a endtable.
Impaled 05-18-2007, 02:21 PM So you're gonna have a twin turbo svt v6 focus when you're all done right? ;)
You can put a 2.5TT on the back that would be so cool...lol i can't wait to put 2.0T on mine.
APGEcho 05-19-2007, 12:37 AM Engine and trans is out. Pretty easy, just stuck a tow strap through 2 holes in the block, and dropped it down and pulled it out :P Going to be stripping the block clean, and de-greasing it for his coffee table :P
Timmeh! 05-20-2007, 01:49 AM my dad bought me the beater car that im gonna be driving til the focus is fixed.
the 87 taurus's outsides were cleaner and newer looking than the inside (and performance) would lead you to believe. so we took it rallying, and took sexy pics. im gonna put them up in a few minutes here. i could try and list whats wrong, but that list is sooo long im not even gonna start. im not compaining, all i wanted was a mode of transportation, my mode even has a working vintage '87 radio :)
Timmeh! 05-20-2007, 02:31 AM pics time!!!
first of the empty focus engine bay.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0330.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0332.jpg
now, of the 87 Taurus im driving til the focus gets fixed. we just got done rallying when i took these pics.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0333.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0336.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0337.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0338.jpg
lots of pics, have fun!
eford1517 05-20-2007, 08:58 PM hey brian, sorry bro but im not going to lie. that taurus is probably the biggest piece of shit ive seen in my life. haha, o well its better than riding your bike around. I guess.
Timmeh! 05-21-2007, 10:27 AM i kno it is.
thats why i call it the Taur-a**.
i know its a total POS and i treat it like one.
but hey, beats ridin a bike.
Timmeh! 05-23-2007, 11:30 PM im picking up the SVT engine tomorrow afternoon. and the trans shipped out today. i'm going to assemble my junkyard shopping list and go out hunting this weekend. i'll keep everyone posted and will have pics up tomorrow night / friday morning.
MattZX3 05-24-2007, 10:02 AM wow man, youve made a lot of progress with it already, i cant wait to see it when its done!!
heelflip101 05-24-2007, 10:45 AM wow you are moving fast, I need to get going on my projects.
Timmeh! 05-24-2007, 01:34 PM that taurus is the most motivation i ever got. and its not like i can drive the focus and just wait til everything gets here and slam-bang out the swap in a weekend. im carless (correction: good, fun to drive, doesn't make me look gay carless) until she's fixed. and i miss drivin her, and i can't wait til its done either. its gonna be so much fun to drive!.
i'm gonna be leavin soon to go get my engine and wiring harness and ECU. then i'm gonna go up to the garage and see what i can do/needs to be done. i'll post again tonight with pics and stuff.
Timmeh! 05-24-2007, 01:35 PM oops. double post.
you know what that means???
smiley time!!!!
[grinking]
[drinking]
[cheers]
[ffrocks]
[loveff]
[headbang]
[race]
[driving]
[wrenchin]
iantm 05-24-2007, 02:10 PM That Taurus is reminiscent of the 89 Sable I had. Down to the missing chunks of bumper. It was a horrid hoopty, but it wasn't a half bad car - provided you never needed to exceed 55 mph. That's when the front end would wobble like mad. Then the transmission on it blew and I was in no way upset. In fact - I celebrated that day.
Timmeh! 05-24-2007, 10:34 PM well i didnt manage to get my engine, the guys at the junkyard wouldn't work overtime to finish pulling it. so im gonna pick it up tomorrow, altho i did get the ECU for a measly $50. i might be getting a SC that was meant for a 5L mustang tomorrow, and for a good price. my baby might be supercharged.
heelflip101 05-25-2007, 02:41 PM Supercharger that sounds nice, how much fabrication will that take?
APGEcho 05-26-2007, 02:08 AM Got the V6 today. I wasn't able to go to the junk becuase I was helping a friend at work finish a project. I did happen to work on it a little bit afterwards. It's going to need to be rebuilt, and it's going to need alot of new stuff. It's going to be hell of a project.
Mr.Bergner 05-26-2007, 08:03 AM Keep us posted please.
This is more interesting than work!
arrestmespi 05-26-2007, 03:23 PM yeah I would suggest not trying to fab up that supercharger. You will have enough problems putting the engine in and wiring it.
Timmeh! 05-26-2007, 09:28 PM exactly. im gonna pass on the SC and the rebuild kit will cost about $300 plus the engine is missing an alternator, it has a hole in the oil pan, and the [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]es at the junkyard broke the engine mount (actually they cut it with an acetalene torch to get the engine free). let alone a flywheel, clutch, shift rods, and lots of other fun MTX stuff.
Timmeh! 05-27-2007, 12:05 AM picture time!!!!!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0348.jpg
SVT Contour ECU on left, Focus ECU on right.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0351.jpg
there she be. APGEcho is directly behind the engine in the blue shirt lol.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0352.jpg
thumbs up for + 2 cylinders, + 0.5L, and - 20lbs!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0353.jpg
the powered by SVT emblem is gone :( i'll go ebay a new one.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0358.jpg
almost its current state. all of the cams have been taken out. we're just trying to get the GD crank pulley to come off so the timing cover can come off, so the heads can come off.
Impaled 05-27-2007, 01:16 AM sexi
NikiterZTS 05-27-2007, 01:25 AM i donno how i missed this thread but this is cool......that engine would be a nice upgrade in a lil car.....wow can't wait
JRODSVT 05-27-2007, 01:28 AM get to work!
look like fun.
maybe I will buy an 2000 and make a SHOcus out of my 91. Its body is ailing but the motor threw down 185 hp to the wheels. not bad for an un maintained and 150k mileage motor that was rated 220 Crank HP.
15% drive train loss aint to bad in my book.
oh well dude I wish I was there to help. I need to get up to Michigan to visit my friends in dearborn Heights.
Timmeh! 05-27-2007, 01:49 AM all are welcome. just send me a PM first and i'll give you my cell number and you can come check it out. and btw, SHOcus = totally custom. no happy easy drop in. the mounts and EVERYTHING are different cause of the totally different bodys. just thought i'd point that out. and the 2.5 is plenty engine for such a light car (and getting lighter) and thanks for the compliment NikiterZTS. the reason why this is so easy is because of the Focus being the Contours replacement. of course, why dont we get the 2.5L? because Ford will never make a car that can roll off the line and give a Mustang a run for its money in a straight line.
i'll make sure to keep you guys posted. tomorrow starts the wiring insanity. and the rest of engine disassembly of course.
sleepyboy 05-27-2007, 01:53 AM 15% drivetrain lost is good in my book. Has for that SVT you should really try and get a short block duratec out of a tarus the svt top end will bolt right on. there is no replacement for displacement. Keep the thread updated and use lost and lost of pics cause everybody here likes pics.
NikiterZTS 05-27-2007, 02:01 AM so just let me get this clear.....are the engine mounts the same as for Zetec engine?....so just pretty much drop it and go type of a thing?....sorry its too late right now for me to read the whole thread....so just bare with me....by the way i've seen the ugliest SVTC today getting E-tested when i was gettin my oil changed....it had a nice paint job, drop and rims but that 5 feet high spoiler and that fugly air scoop killed it for me....i'll try to look it up on Countour sites
Timmeh! 05-27-2007, 02:38 AM let me put it this way to make it easiest to understand.
the Contour was manufactured 95-00 and was available with 2(technically 3) engines:
the 2.0L Zetec (almost the exact same as in a Focus some internals may have changed)
and the 2.5L Duratec (and the SVT Duratec if you consider it a different engine)
in short, yes. the Zetec and Duratec were designed to sit in the same engine bay, and their mounts are identical. the bellhousing mount on the trans is probably different. seeing as how the only difference between the V6 and the I4 MTX-75's is the bellhousing. anywho, hope i made it crystal clear :)
and yes, pics will be in great supply. i always take my camera with me to the garage.
NikiterZTS 05-27-2007, 02:43 AM ok that makes sence now...thanks
sleepyboy 05-27-2007, 02:52 AM You have to fabricate a a few things I forget I'm sure you could find the thread that has it.
Timmeh! 05-27-2007, 10:20 PM update time!
got the timing cover and heads off. and i painted the intake manifold and the plastic piece that says Duratec.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0360.jpg
the timing chains are just hangin.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0361.jpg
the cylinders seem to be just fine.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0362.jpg
the heads look like they're in great shape.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0365.jpg
with the Metalcast ground coat.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0367.jpg
ooo shiny.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0372.jpg
oooooo red.... mmmm... gotta love that metalcast finish.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0368.jpg
didn't come out as good, but still decent.
comments always appreciated!
NikiterZTS 05-27-2007, 10:24 PM wow if this swap goes well and i see good numbers for whp and 1/4 im gonna do the same thing :)
iantm 05-27-2007, 10:46 PM This is a pretty sweet swap. I had a Contour SE Sport with the 170 hp 2.5 duratec and the mtx-75. Probably the most fun car I've ever owned - sadly it wasn't offered in a hatchback form viable for me (cougar was nice but not practical for me - so the focus entered my life).
This is a pretty sweet swap. I recall that SVT experimented with a 2.5L duratec from a Contour SVT in a focus before they decided on the 170 hp zetec motor. As nice as the SVT foci are - a v6 powered focus with 200hp+ standard would have been awesome.
Good luck man, and keep us updated. If I had the time and money to do it, I'd buy a mechanically unsound foci just to do this sort of thing to.
Timmeh! 05-27-2007, 11:54 PM yes, it will be sweet. but of course ford didnt want a mustang killer, and so the focus doesnt get a V6 from the factory.
arrestmespi 05-28-2007, 12:45 AM replace the the oil pan on the contour motor and run a compression and leakdown test before you go any further else you may have a shitty motor with a blown rod or something also roll over motors blow ass with oil leaks and butt crap like that
Timmeh! 05-28-2007, 01:20 PM ok, thanks for the tip. i'll make sure to do that.
Impaled 05-28-2007, 03:16 PM Was the SVT you got the motor from a wreck? and how much did it cost you?
APGEcho 05-28-2007, 03:18 PM A roll over. Cost him 850 with wiring harness :)
turbovation 05-28-2007, 03:21 PM This is the most exciting thread we've had on FF in a long time! I can't wait to see the outcome [:D]
PARKINGLOT 05-28-2007, 03:37 PM This is the most exciting thread we've had on FF in a long time! I can't wait to see the outcome [:D]
X 2!!! I can't wait to see the outcome...
OrangeSVTguy 05-28-2007, 04:03 PM kinda makes me kinda wish i still had my probe gt after i totaled it. motor and tranny was still in pristine condition with 50k on it [:(] too bad it was an auto but was still quick as hell in that heavy car.
turbovation 05-28-2007, 06:52 PM I always liked the probe GT. My friend had one but he sold it recently for a GS300. Still liked the probe better though!
APGEcho 05-30-2007, 09:50 PM Got the trans today :)
arrestmespi 05-30-2007, 10:00 PM so how about them wiring harnesses and motor mounts
APGEcho 05-30-2007, 10:06 PM We have the harness. The guys at the junk decided to just break the engine mounts.... From what we've read, custom ones are needed anyways.
sleepyboy 05-30-2007, 10:21 PM Just the passenger side the others are on the tranny like the focus I believe.
Timmeh! 05-30-2007, 10:31 PM exactly, i also have pics for everyone, yay!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0384-1.jpg
ooo.... shiny.... in the sunlight
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0388.jpg
the trans, with one boot and knuckle, a piece of shift linkage, and absolutely no mounts.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/taur-ass.jpg
couldn't help but photoshop that up.
sleepyboy 05-30-2007, 10:38 PM ^^great Tarus logo you should make that I think it would sell.
Timmeh! 05-30-2007, 10:59 PM yeah, its worth a shot, right?
Impaled 05-30-2007, 11:20 PM when you guys mount it can you please make it like a howto?
and are you using the radiator from the contour too?
and it'll have a contour ecu too i assume right?
is there anything you have to do to the fuel system to get it to work with the motor?
turbovation 05-30-2007, 11:20 PM lol nice logo man. Seems like everything is coming along slowly but surely. I bet this thing is gonna feel so nice on the road when it's all said and done! Lighter, more powerful, better displacement, more cylindars and WAY more torque..who could want more?!
sleepyboy 05-30-2007, 11:25 PM You should have the heads P&P while they are off. It would be easier than doing later on.
Timmeh! 05-30-2007, 11:31 PM yes, when it's done i will post it up how-to style.
we will be using the focus radiator. the fuel line has to be extended, which we'll do, and if i have problems with it running lean, i'll throw an in-line fuel pump on. and im not going to P&P the head, money's tight and i can't wait for even more stuff cause i want to be able to drive again.
and yes, it will be a nice difference in weight and power. expect a dyno and a curb weight when she's done.
if anyone wants to contribute to my cause, they can always send me a small donation via paypal. PM me for my email so you can send it.
thought id put that out there.
sleepyboy 05-30-2007, 11:34 PM What about a return line for the fuel? If I remember correctly the contour was a return style fuel injection and the focus was a returnless style
Timmeh! 05-30-2007, 11:53 PM took off the injector rail a few days ago, its returnless.
sleepyboy 05-31-2007, 12:10 AM good what about fuel pump are you going to be able to keep up with the stock focus pump?? If not you should see if the contour pump will fit or get a BAP (boost a pump). Here is a link I'm sure there is a phone number on it some where but they have done the V6 swap with the contour and tarus v6's they can do it all. http://www.focussalvage.com/focussalvageupdate2_001.htm
Timmeh! 05-31-2007, 12:20 AM theres no number on there, and i've tried PMing them on here, but got no answer.
Timmeh! 05-31-2007, 12:21 AM if anyone knows it i could REALLY use it right now.
sleepyboy 05-31-2007, 12:22 AM I'll try and find for ya I got my whole motor from them great service and help.
sleepyboy 05-31-2007, 12:23 AM I'm having problems too I hope there still in business cause I need some parts.
Timmeh! 05-31-2007, 12:26 AM they are, but whoever they're paying to do the website is a tard. i could do that too, and have it done and running a lot faster. but whatever.
Timmeh! 05-31-2007, 12:49 AM sweet, my thread now has the ellipses and the last page thingy on at the end! this is quality.
btw, we're doing a weight comparison for all the nay-sayers out there who are worried about ruining the handling of the car. which mine is on Eibach Sportlines, so that would be hard to do.
current curb for an automatic 00-04 ZX3: 2750.
i'm losing about 20lbs thanks to aluminum construction, and another few cause of the manual, and since i dont feel like buying an AC compressor (id rather have a running car sooner) i'm losing some weight there. we will go curb it when its done, at least a half tank of gas and all that good stuff. then the number will be put up here. im excited!
turbovation 05-31-2007, 01:14 AM Noiiiice! Focussalvage are very good company but they tend to take a long time to complete transactions and return e-mails.
Timmeh! 05-31-2007, 04:04 AM also true.
PARKINGLOT 05-31-2007, 04:21 AM lookin good so far...
arrestmespi 05-31-2007, 03:27 PM yeah, good luck with the CSVT wiring harness, you are going either shit-rig or afro-engineer some way for it to intergrate to the environmental systems and such, also you'll have problems with getting your gauge cluster working. Yes you need to custom make motor mounts, good luck with that, I would suggest overengineering them thus not having to compute force requirements. Your main problem is going to be a wiring harness it is not a case of using the csvt harness, you are going to have to combine it with the focus harness. If I was closer i may be able to have helped you with signal generators, and oscopes and such. If you can get this thing running in a month I will be very surprised.
PARKINGLOT 05-31-2007, 03:57 PM shit-rig or afro-engineer
[rofl] [histerical] [rofl] [histerical] hahahaha....
APGEcho 05-31-2007, 04:23 PM One of the mechanics we are working with knows the Ford wiring harnesses like the back of his hand, and Brian is good with electronics anyways :) I think we're good to go on the wiring :)
Timmeh! 05-31-2007, 04:27 PM i have the CSVT ECU, so yes i may have to shit rig the instrument cluster, but i've got plenty of tools to do that. and i can always go get a contour IC and drop it in.
arrestmespi 05-31-2007, 09:27 PM you may want to just grab the csvt ic now for sake of your time also make sure the salvage yard pulled the full harness not just the engine bay side
sleepyboy 05-31-2007, 10:08 PM You know focus-salvage just used a cluster from a Merc cougar it will fit in the dash of a focus but it won't bolt in. That is what he did to make it work in the focus.
turbovation 05-31-2007, 10:18 PM afro-rig? lol! Just say it!
sleepyboy 05-31-2007, 10:19 PM its politicle correctness thats ruining this country
arrestmespi 05-31-2007, 10:29 PM Yeah, it has ruined things
Jeremy used a 2.5l duratec cougar as a donor, with a csvt hybrid for intake IIRC.
Badass project but it is a hella lot of work
bryanjw82 05-31-2007, 10:47 PM you need to add FI to that when your done, then it would be sweet.
covert1 06-01-2007, 02:32 PM .....
covert1 06-01-2007, 02:32 PM This is intriguing. When I first saw the thread, I really thought, "yeah, right"... until I saw the pics of the acquired V6.
Anyway, I'm the one who bought the V6 that Jeremy/Ian put together. And, what's even funnier, is that I grew up in Canton, MI. (That's close to Northville). My parents moved back there and I could always use an excuse to visit them... and I could drive my 6 over there and give you some insights.
Off the top of my head - since you have the engine out and accessible, make sure you replace the water pump. Depending on the year, your engine might have a pump with a plastic impeller. Get a new one with the metal blades, instead.
Also consult the wealth of knowledge about the Duratech over at the www.contour.org boards, as they've obviously anything and everything that could go awry with that engine.
Oh - I really, really don't think FI is going to fit in there.
Hope everything goes well!
Timmeh! 06-02-2007, 10:05 AM got a new water pump, was unable to ascertain one with metal impellers, but i got a rebuilt OE one. and i have an account on contour.org. FI would only fit if it was a small turbo, after the Y-pipe if necessary. theres no way a super would fit.
ken6x6 06-02-2007, 11:05 AM you could get a SC in there, you would just need a really big sideways scoop...lol
turbovation 06-02-2007, 06:19 PM woo, what's the word? Internet was down at work today so I couldn't check the thread.
sleepyboy 06-02-2007, 09:33 PM woo, what's the word? Internet was down at work today so I couldn't check the thread.
same here but instead of work it was home.
Timmeh! 06-03-2007, 01:14 AM not much. did get an "essential" (depends on who you ask) part in the mail today.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0602071620.jpg
as we all remember it was missing off the engine i got. so now it will have a nice emblem. like it truly deserves.
sleepyboy 06-03-2007, 01:15 AM ^^I would agree that is the most important badge on the car/motor that'll make people say wow!
Timmeh! 06-03-2007, 05:01 PM yeah, the Escape V6 emblem on the back will make people be like "poser" until they discover i ain't lyin'!
theonly287 06-03-2007, 05:51 PM i love this thread cant wait to see it done i thought that the blue svt with the SVTC engine was cool enough but now there is gonna be a ZX3 SVTC TOO COOL for words...have fun with all that power
Timmeh! 06-04-2007, 01:06 AM o i will. im excited as heck! i cant wait to get my baby rolling again.
covert1 06-04-2007, 11:14 AM i love this thread cant wait to see it done i thought that the blue svt with the SVTC engine was cool enough but now there is gonna be a ZX3 SVTC TOO COOL for words...have fun with all that power
Actually, the blue V6 is based off of a 2000 Malibu Blue ZX3. It just has the SVT bumpers and skirts on it. That, and it has a 2002 Cougar lump in it, but with the CSVT intake manifold.
It doesn't matter, though - it's just a neat thing to have. Personally, since I'm really a wagon guy above all else, I'm really tempted to pick up a wagon shell to swap the V6 innards. I would rock that proudly. [headbang]
That, and I really would like to see what he's got going on, as I obviously haven't witnessed one of these in pre-built condition.
ryancsvt 06-04-2007, 04:37 PM WOW I am just seeing this now, good luck with the swap man. Youll love the duratec engine, when the secondaries open its a rush everytime. You should also check out http://www.nautilusperformance.com/ they have the turbo kits there. Mine is going in about 7 months under the knife for the forged, pnp'd, 3l,and stage 3 turbo kit. I will settle for nothing less than 400+ hp to the wheels which is very capable with all the mods. Its gonna cost a pretty penny but hey you get what you pay for.
Anyways good luck man I love csvt focus's
Timmeh! 06-04-2007, 05:31 PM thanks.
turbovation 06-04-2007, 08:10 PM woo CSVT. So who else has done this exact thing? Or are you the first??
goober19 06-04-2007, 08:13 PM alright, well to spare me the time of retyping it up, and to spare those of you who choose to avoid the backstory time, i'm gonna leave the story
here (http://focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120882)
moving on.
well as of right now i have:
an MTX75 tranny (with the right bell housing)
a garage to work in (car is already there)
plenty of people to help
and the whole front fascia and hood removed for conveinence.
tomorrow (technically this) morning i'm "talking with my parents" about "college and the car" and so i'm sure my plan will meet some resistance, but w/e. i already have a trans that is waiting to be shipped out (still need to find a place that can receive it). hopefully i can also convince my dad to provide "financial assistance" in the form of "direct payment for my engine".
i'll def keep everyone posted in here. when major work gets done pics will be uploaded accordingly. and if anyone has done a lot of research on this swap and has any comments and/or advice, please share.
just a thought... but after you say graduated from college and got a good job in your field wouldnt you I dont know make your own money to do such things like that.....
v8focus1 06-04-2007, 09:15 PM woo CSVT. So who else has done this exact thing? Or are you the first??
www.modifiedfocus.com. We've done 2 v6 swaps. A 2.5L duratec swap, and a 3.0L taurus SHO. Ford Racing and ZXtuner have v6 swap cars too. The Ford Racing car was featured in one of the Focus Fanatics magazines. There was also someone else on one of the message boards that was going to do some fancy v6 swap with turbos- the car was disassembled and never finished.
turbovation 06-04-2007, 10:25 PM Very interesting and useful thanks V8focus1! Has anybody put the contour SVT motor into a focus yet?
PARKINGLOT 06-05-2007, 04:00 AM I'd love to pick up a cheap sedan or wagon with a bad engine or tranny to try this on....maybe someday..
sleepyboy 06-05-2007, 04:04 AM Very interesting and useful thanks V8focus1! Has anybody put the contour SVT motor into a focus yet?
Yes qite a few people have already.
ryancsvt 06-05-2007, 10:23 AM Thats what this guy is doing, the main differances in between the svt and non svt motors are the extrude honed uim and for 99-00 the lim was extrude honed as well, the cams are slightly different, tb, intake and thats about it I think. Alot of people with reg contours get those parts and have pretty much a svt motor. Now suspention, mounts,exhaust and looks are different.
Timmeh! 06-05-2007, 01:23 PM ryan's got it right there.
the non-SVT puts down 170hp stock and the SVT lays down 195.
add on a custom intake and exhaust and it'll be a fun little car to drive :)
ryancsvt 06-05-2007, 02:05 PM What year motor did you get, cause the 98's like mine have 195 and the 99-00 have 200 hp.
And for the intake either get a kkm or get a k&n filter,maf adapter. I love my kkm intake.
For the exhaust you can have the resonator replaced with a magnaflow flow through type, delete the mufflers and get some polished tips. Or spend the big money and get a tru-bendz, either way you gain about the same.
The link I posted above also sells msds headers coated for $250.00, before them you couldnt get them for under $600.00. Email them and order a set, they are on back order now but you need to do it while the motor is out of the car.
I would also sudgest you get a 75mm pro m maf and have the car dyno tuned with a sct flasher, you will see BIG gaines with these cars from simple tuning, Nautilis can also do your tuning as Tom is the contour god and tuning master.
Timmeh! 06-05-2007, 02:19 PM its a 99. and thanks for the tips, im having one of the people helping me bend a custom exhaust.
ryancsvt 06-05-2007, 03:04 PM Your welcome man, good you got the post 98. Mine is only a 5 hp differance but hey every bit helps. If you need anything man lemme know. My myspace is in my sig same with my car club.
turbovation 06-05-2007, 06:35 PM Can I ask what kind of quarter miles people are putting down with this same engine swap project? Also any idea as to 0-60 times and such?
heelflip101 06-05-2007, 07:28 PM ^^ ya I want to know to
SkaAddict 06-05-2007, 07:44 PM I don't think it'd be a whole lot more than a SVTF...realistically, the SVTC V6 doesn't make a whole lot more power, at least while N/A. I think its something like 200 HP/TQ at the crank, so its around 180 at the wheels. It'd be interesting to see how it'd do with a twin-turbo setup though...
turbovation 06-05-2007, 08:48 PM That 30+ horsepower and 50+ torque boost coupled with relatively the same weight should be enough to make the SVTC-Focus an SVTF slayer, wouldn't u think?
SkaAddict 06-05-2007, 09:38 PM A stock SVT, yes. Against a SVTF with a JRSC, no. That's what I was getting at...the gains don't really justify the cost and work level from a performance standpoint. I still think its an intersting project, but if you're after speed it'd make more sense to just turbo or supercharge your Zetec/Duratec. Obviously in his case, he had to get a new engine anyways, so why not?
arrestmespi 06-05-2007, 09:41 PM 14s if he is lucky. If you have an extra $500 to $1000 run n2o on it
Cajun Boy876 06-05-2007, 10:03 PM Omg! Twin Turbo's KICK @$$! My friend has a twin turbo v6 grandnational that run's low 10's and its a heavy SOB. Imagine what you could do in a focus!
Impaled 06-05-2007, 10:10 PM Omg! Twin Turbo's KICK @$$! My friend has a twin turbo v6 grandnational that run's low 10's and its a heavy SOB. Imagine what you could do in a focus!
but FWD ftl when it comes to running 10's lol
ucntseemeee 06-05-2007, 10:42 PM man, this is one exciting thread. i read pretty much the whole thing the past 30 minutes. cant wait to see the outcome
turbovation 06-06-2007, 01:12 AM ^^qft
Cajun Boy876 06-06-2007, 09:19 AM So you not doing a Rear Wheel conversion? For some reason I thought he was. N/m
Timmeh! 06-06-2007, 10:52 AM nope no rear wheel drive conversion, if i was gonna do that i might as well have bought a V8.
Cajun Boy876 06-06-2007, 10:59 AM If you dont mind me asking what type of a budget you looking at for this?
Timmeh! 06-06-2007, 07:59 PM umm idk. as cheap as possible.
when im all done i'll kno what the actual money spent is.
ryancsvt 06-11-2007, 04:53 PM Well for # 1 there wont be a twin turbo on any csvt, people have tried it and it wont work. # 2 the csvt engine is much faster in the low end, and the svtf is alot faster in the top end. I smoke modded svtf's all the time in the lower power range, but one we get up in speeds the svtf's slightly inch on us csvt guys.
Its mainly a power to weight ratio, he will run alot faster times he will be in the 14's off the bat I would think without any mods. I have ran a best of a 15.22 with a slipping clutch and a worn suspention with the engine mods I have now. I have ran at ffw after I did the spec clutch,spec flywheel,Torsen atb, forged axels and new mounts and ran a 15.3 but I wasnt hooking for crap and I have a slight leak from my rear valve cover thats causing a vacume leak. If that wasnt the case and I hooked I would be in the 14's easy.
I would think he should be running a 14.8-14.9 with a stock intake and exhaust if he has the lsd and a good clutch and can hook up. What does a svtf weigh? The csvt weighs 3800 bone stock if I am not mistaken.
turbovation 06-11-2007, 06:28 PM 3800 seems a little heavy to me! Stock focus weighs 2700.
SkaAddict 06-11-2007, 07:51 PM Well for # 1 there wont be a twin turbo on any csvt, people have tried it and it wont work.
If you don't mind me asking, why won't it work? Is it a space issue (not enough room anywhere in the engine bay for two turbos) or is it just impractical with only 2.5L and you're better off with a single?
Impaled 06-11-2007, 08:03 PM hmm interesting, it's pretty cool to have a contour dude here, hey contour dude how's ya'lls community? what are some contour forums?
iantm 06-11-2007, 08:05 PM The Contour SVT weighed in at 3126 lbs in the 2000 model (mind you that they came pretty much one way - fully loaded). Here's the link http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/ford/contoursvt/892/specs.html
While the Contour SE Sport (not quite as loaded) weighed in at 2769 lbs.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/ford/contour/8336/specs.html
From my experiences, the Contour SE Sport (in stock form), with its 2.5 litre 170hp/165 lb ft torque duratec 2.5 was a quicker car than the SVT Focus (in stock form). I'd venture to say that a 200hp CSVT motor in a focus is going to be a beast, especially in a light weight stripper model zx3.
As for the question about twin turbos in a Contour - the engine bay is packed wicked tight in stock form - I can't imagine where the space for one turbo would be, let alone two. The biggest issue with the Contour is that you have to remove a good part of the passenger side suspension in order to get to the alternator (you can't get to it from the top or bottom, so you have to go from the side). The engine bay in the focus seems to be roomier than that of the Contour (based on zetec models of both the contour and focus).
As for good contour forums, it doesn't get much better than contour.org . Before I had my focus, I was moderately involved there. I miss my old SE Sport. God, that was a fun ride. And the sound that motor made. It truly was a poor man's BMW.
cfol77 06-11-2007, 09:06 PM [quote=ryancsvt;1622577]...and I have a slight leak from my rear valve cover thats causing a vacume leak. If that wasnt the case and I hooked I would be in the 14's easy.
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I have said leak, and I want max vac for mpg. What does it take to fix it properly...and what about cheaply & improperly?
ryancsvt 06-12-2007, 09:47 AM Ok sorry I was wrong its 3,080 pounds curb weight bone stock, thats 380 pounds more than the focus.
Yeah there is NO room in the engine bay, even for the 1 turbo you have to relocate the battery to the trunk, move the fuse box to the front corner behind the headlight and its still a tight squeeze. Only way to ever do a tt would be a sts exhaust turbo type setup. And its even tighter in the focus.
ryancsvt 06-12-2007, 02:33 PM Dont cheaply fix anything cfol77, either do it right or dont do it at all. Remove the valve covers and clean them and get new OEM gaskets.
iantm-I must disagree contour.org is great for info and thats about it. Not good at all for posting cause no matter what you post, if you arent from the northeast and have 10k posts than you will get flamed, not my idea of a good forum. www.fordcontour.org is a much much better forum. I got the 3080 from 1-800-ford-svt themselves for a bone stock 98 csvt. Mine is alot lighter now but thats stock curb weight.
A standard 2.5l swap is a nice setup; it has a nice punch, and a little more grunt than a 2.3l Duratec. Drives really smooth, with no hesitation. But it's not all that powerful. I'd suppose the 3.0l would be a bit quicker.
The tricky thing is getting the suspension dialed in correctly.
ryancsvt 06-12-2007, 04:05 PM Yes the 3l on average gains about 30-40 hp and has alot more torque and high end power. Now if you do the msds headers,and y pipe with the 3l then WOW. And yeah the suspention is going to have to be very tight to make you hook in such a light car, I have a problem hooking and I am in a heavier car.
iantm 06-12-2007, 04:27 PM Okay, my bad about contour.org. My experiences with it are a bit dated - i.e. the last time I was around was in early 04 when I moved on to the focus. Chances are that most of the good folks moved on to other cars and forums and the site suffered. Pity.
It really was the duratec v6/mtx-75 combo that made the Contour a rewarding drive. The zetec powered Contours were terrible with the automatic, less so (but not great in any sense of the word) with the five speed. As for v6 automatic contours - I don't know - never driven one (anyone who truly appreciated the contour got the v6/mtx-75 combo), though sadly they are all I ever see when I peruse ebay or local used car listings.
If I ever came across a cheap (sub $1k) Contour with the v6 and mtx-75 - I'd do everything possible to talk my wife into letting me buy it - it's the only american car I'd buy to fix up and tweak around with.
ryancsvt 06-13-2007, 09:15 AM Yes I agree, but at the same time I hope this guy will do it. The diff is the weakest link in the mtx-75 along with the shift tower. If you are planning on driving the a contour hard or even moderatly, or EVER take it to the track I HIGHLY sudgest getting a torsen atb. I raced mine at the track numerous numerous times before I got my tranny built and was told I was VERY lucky In didnt blow my diff from launching.
The shift tower is a problem cause the tower bolt sheers off. Terry Haines at HMS does the full HMS tranny's with the keyed tower bolt which is a must have. I will get mine done when My car goes under the knife.
turbovation 06-13-2007, 11:26 AM How much could it cost for a keyed tower bolt?
ryancsvt 06-13-2007, 01:48 PM Well its not just the tower bolt, you upgrade to the svtf shift tower and have it keyed and I think its around $225.00 and WELL worth it.
hurtinfocus 06-20-2007, 02:59 PM so how is this going? i was talking about this swap with another friend of mine in this focus community and it would make for an easy extra chunk of ponies in a sneaky build i have in mind for my focus in the next 2-5 yrs. my biggest worry is the wiring, but if there is a how-to you guys can expect a v6 twin charged awd focus in the next few years emerging from my garage. ::sneaky::
ryancsvt 06-20-2007, 04:42 PM You wont be able to do a twin turbo!!!!!!
j-roc 06-20-2007, 05:31 PM super nice :).. totally feelin this upgrade for sure. if i was close to where you lived, i would be all about checking this swap out. i just got my focus and did a spi to zetec swap. going to see what i cant get out of that for now. exciting!
hurtinfocus 06-21-2007, 12:31 AM You wont be able to do a twin turbo!!!!!!
i didnt say twin turbo, i said twin charged, as in using the procharger kit from andys-autosport in conjuntion with a post-Y-pipe turbo for some serious power.
ryancsvt 06-21-2007, 11:27 AM ^ Ok I havent ever heard of doing a setup like that. But just to let you know, aas only sells the Vortech kit, procharger dosent make a kit for the csvt. And if you go Vortech make sure it has the updated shaft or it will snap in no time, thats why Vortech discontinued the kit.
http://www.andysautosport.com/ford/1998_9999_contour/performance/turbos_and_superchargers/supercharger_kits/vortech/
TKE_Quailman 06-21-2007, 11:32 AM havent heard an an update in a while
turbovation 06-21-2007, 11:46 AM yes, update us!
Mr.Bergner 06-25-2007, 05:31 PM It must not be going all that great. Sucks, I've been following this since it started on the original thread when we messed the car up the first time out rallying. Funny story though.
turbovation 06-25-2007, 05:57 PM no news ain't bad news though....
Mr.Bergner 06-25-2007, 06:04 PM Tru Dat. Probably waiting on parts or something. I know I couldn't do something like this in a week, hell, even a month! lol
eford1517 06-27-2007, 01:08 PM i think he might be away at college now.
turbovation 06-27-2007, 08:15 PM dang...so the project is on hold until winter break?
bonacci01 07-10-2007, 10:41 PM I am very depressed to see no progress in this thread, however, I will add a link to keep those little mice running in all your heads.
401/381 WHEEL!!!! cresting 300 at 4k rpms, drool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.suneil.net/Ford%20Contour%20SVT.htm
MightyMouse 07-10-2007, 10:51 PM In just 600rpm's it gained 140whp and 140wtq. Went from 160whp/230wtq at 3700rpm's to 300whp/370wtq at 4300rpm's.
APGEcho 07-11-2007, 08:55 AM Well, we originally had it timed out so we would finish it before Brian left for college. We ended up needing more parts than we thought we did, so we are going to finish it whenever he comes back. I tell you guys, this WILL get done and a "how to" will be put together!
bonacci01 07-30-2007, 11:44 AM Well, we originally had it timed out so we would finish it before Brian left for college. We ended up needing more parts than we thought we did, so we are going to finish it whenever he comes back. I tell you guys, this WILL get done and a "how to" will be put together!
Thread from the Dead! Hey, so can you give us a quick run down on the major modifications needed to slide the v6 in the focus?? Custom mounts? Driveaxles? Can you keep the car 1x108? What major compontents get swapped in? Keep this thread going!!!
hurtinfocus 07-30-2007, 04:11 PM ^im with this guy, i have a thought on another v6 swap but its from another company owned by ford, bonacci knows all about it lol, but it would be nice to know how the wiring goes and the mounts and such.
Timmeh! 06-17-2008, 02:02 PM I'M BACK!!!!
there might need to be some custom motor mount work at most, and custom wiring for sure.
i will definitely keep track of this stuff and make sure it goes in the how-to.
i got back in MI on sunday and had myself a mini-christmas.
besides the newer trans (don't have pics of it yet) '98 SVTC trans with only 10K on it,
i got:
a lightened (and remachined) flywheel
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0615080622.jpg
a contour shifter
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0615080623.jpg
and some shorty exhaust headers for the V6
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0615080624.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0615080624a.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0615080625.jpg
so i'm gonna start getting myself organized and get ready to wrench.
anybody who can make it to southeast michigan is more than welcome to come out and lend a hand or just check it out.
this thread has risen from the dead!
heelflip101 06-17-2008, 05:33 PM wow glad to see your back. Lets see this progect moving again.
Timmeh! 06-17-2008, 05:36 PM thanks, and it'll get moving ASAP. i'm super excited and i wanna drive my baby so bad!
theonly287 06-17-2008, 07:42 PM YAY this thread is back....i cant wait to see all of the progress....its going to be killer for sure V6 POWER!!
Timmeh! 06-17-2008, 07:45 PM glad to see everyone still remembers me.
i'll keep everyone updated just like last time, and we'll see how much hp she'll put down.
Timmeh! 06-24-2008, 04:14 PM painted the headers today.
also cleaned out the engine bay, cleaned some parts, rinsed the car, started organizing.
ordered new gaskets so i can rebuild the engine (yesterday)
heres the pics of my shorty headers.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0624081640.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/0624081640a.jpg
Timmeh! 07-08-2008, 09:20 PM got:
the gaskets
head bolts
serpentine and water pump belts
ordered:
high flow Y pipe
2.5" RT High Flow cat
2.5" flex pipe
Spec Stage 1 Clutch Kit
tomorrow is motor rebuild day!
i'll have PLENTY of pics for everyone to check out tomorrow so stay tuned!
MattyKrackSVT 07-08-2008, 11:43 PM nice.. glad to see you didnt give up
Timmeh! 07-08-2008, 11:59 PM im not allowed to give up.
for a few reasons.
1. my focus is my baby, i've already put plenty of blood sweat and tears into her and wouldn't give her up for the world.
2. my baby is my DD, and i'm gonna need a car this year at school since i'll be living off campus.
3. because it's gonne be SICK!!!!!
V6 POWAH!!!!
(can you tell i'm a little excited?)
theonly287 07-09-2008, 12:02 AM I CANT wait....I thought you stopped on the car too. Soooo glad you didnt.
Timmeh! 07-09-2008, 12:04 AM nope, just had to do that college thingy.
which was fun.... but my focus will be fun too
:D
cali_cutie_40 07-09-2008, 12:19 AM Ok now everyone has to help him!!!!! He needs to get this car done so he can drive back out to Cali. I want my boyfriend back. I've let Michigan have him for long enough. :) oh yea and Hi everyone. Don't have a focus but Brian is crazy about Deb and I'm crazy about him so I guess I'm crazy about his car. (hehe A=B, B=C, thefore A=C...gosh I am a nerd)
Any ways...pretty much anyone that can help him needs to!
Thanks!!!
Timmeh! 07-10-2008, 06:37 PM well i managed to get started today...
got the heads on, im gonna do some more research before i start messing with anything else.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0014.jpg
heads are on!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0015.jpg
its just holding the cams til i put the rockers and stuff in. that pulley is for the water pump ( i still dont know why ford did that, but whatever)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0016.jpg
one of the racing seats im buying off one of my friends. im waiting for the brackets for them.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0017.jpg
the 98 MTX-75 with only 10K on it!
PumkinSvt 07-10-2008, 06:54 PM hurry up and get that finished! you have a cutie waiting for you in cali!!! lol
Timmeh! 07-10-2008, 07:05 PM thanks man.
im working on it.
gotta get me some motor mounts, which means i need someone to take me to the junkyard.
starfuryt550 07-10-2008, 10:13 PM Keep up with the project!
Did you start the swap already, or still collecting various parts? When my car is done, hopefully soon, I could prolly swing by and help at some point
Timmeh! 07-11-2008, 12:45 AM technically i've started since im rebuilding the motor,
but there aren't any conti parts on/in my focus yet.
soon to change.
Timmeh! 07-11-2008, 02:16 PM catalytic converter picture!!!!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0018.jpg
Yocrew 07-11-2008, 02:33 PM hurry up and get that finished! you have a cutie waiting for you in cali!!! lol
Awe, that was cute. It's nice when people express their feelings. You tell him Pumkin!
Anyway, This thing needs to get finished. That was a good find for the tranny with only 10k.
Timmeh! 07-11-2008, 02:48 PM thanks.
guess what the nice UPS man left for my today???
SPEC CLUTCH KIT!!!!
w00t!!!
heres the necessary pics.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0034.jpg
the whole kit
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0035.jpg
clutch plate, should grip real nice :)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0036.jpg
pressure plate, other side
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0037.jpg
flywheel side of the clutch.
o man, cant wait to get all this stuff on my baby.
its like instant motivation
TKE_Quailman 07-11-2008, 02:53 PM whats the eta on finishing this
Timmeh! 07-13-2008, 12:51 PM ETA is ASAP.
i would LOVE to have it done by the end of the month but that most likely won't happen.
i'll be happy with having the motor in by the end of the month, the wiring should take me maybe a week or so.
im good with the electrical, i just gotta sit my but down and figure out what wires need to go where, and then start cutting off parts of the harness i dont need.
the lease on my apt. starts mid august so thats the goal im shooting for to leave.
so if i can get it running right around the beginning of august, i'll give it some shake down runs round here and then tackle the 2,400 mile trek out to Cali.
mpsii 07-21-2008, 01:28 AM Dude... progress update?
Timmeh! 07-21-2008, 02:44 AM other than getting some more parts in...
not a whole lot, one of my buddies abducted my tools for over a week, but i got em back.
i'll have pics of the shiny new and used parts up tomorrow, as well as a progress update.
Timmeh! 07-21-2008, 11:52 PM update!!!
got some pics of the parts i've received as of late and im gonna be going to a junkyard tomorrow to get some more parts (long as i can find them)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0114.jpg
starter: Bosch Remanufactured, gotta get the V6 turning somehow!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0113.jpg
alternator: Bosch Remanufactured high-output (130A vs. 110A for stock ones) gonna need those extra 20A (240W) to help drive the subs in the trunk!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0112.jpg
gas pedal: SVT... but why would i have one of those???......
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0111.jpg
clutch and brake: SVT!!! yay! just gotta straighten out that brake pedal and it'll be good to go. got it from blacksvt1013 along with the accelerator and some other stuff, he totaled his SVT, but it's spirit will live on....
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0109.jpg
clutch fluid resevoir: thanks again to blacksvt, he hooked me up with quite a bit
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0108.jpg
shifter: like this whole assembly... and all i asked for was the shift boot! anybody need a stock SVT shifter? im keeping the floor mount bracket and boot tho.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0107.jpg
y-pipe: the MSDS high-flow, it'll get the same black ceramicized paint as the headers, and will help keep my baby breathing nice and freely.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/downsized_0720081717.jpg
seats: got these off my buddy for cheap, got some corbeau brackets, and with a little modification they'll fit really nice. only put the drivers seat in for now, i'll do the passenger side later. and im gonna get new bolts and some spacers, they sit about an inch too low for my liking.
well there's all that's been going on as of late. i hope to get what i need from the junkyard tomorrow and have my engine back together by the end of the week or so!
Mr.Bergner 07-22-2008, 09:24 AM Wow, I remember reading all about this a year ago. I'm really glad to see it's still alive.
[re-bookmarking]
Timmeh! 07-22-2008, 10:28 AM thanks man.
i've been really happy to see that most of the same people that were cheering me on last year are back again this year.
and of course, all the great people that have been selling me the parts i need at decent prices.
mpsii 07-22-2008, 01:39 PM keep up the pics... need engine and install pics, dude...
Nice work... would love to see a dyno or autoX video once you finish
Yocrew 07-22-2008, 03:12 PM I'll take the SVT shift knob. Mine is worn. Let me know.
..:: sleestak ::.. 07-22-2008, 04:05 PM GO GO GO! This is a cool project. kudos
Timmeh! 07-22-2008, 09:32 PM alright.
i got some pics to put up in a little bit.
i'll sell you the shift knob if you want it.
how does $25 shipped sound?
and im going, lol.
anyone know a good way to secure the block? i gotta rotate the crank to TDC to put in the cams.
Timmeh! 07-22-2008, 09:33 PM and there will be a dyno!
and im prolly gonna have it weighed will all the BS taken out of it, just to see how light i can make the car.
Timmeh! 07-22-2008, 09:45 PM got yer engine pics.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0128.jpg
the rollers are chillin on the heads.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0129.jpg
got one of the headers on!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0125.jpg
im my imagination im going like 140 right there.
mpsii 07-22-2008, 09:47 PM ^^^ duct tape works.... okay, maybe not the answer you were looking for... ;)
whynotthinkwhynot 07-23-2008, 05:26 AM Hey, we have a forum for these engine swaps now!!!
Thou art moved brave knight, please flush.
Too bad your pressed for time. Woulda been bad ass to drop the motor in the back and make it a mid-engine rear driver.
I'll have to stop by your place and check it out
Yocrew 07-23-2008, 08:48 AM alright.
i got some pics to put up in a little bit.
i'll sell you the shift knob if you want it.
how does $25 shipped sound?
and im going, lol.
anyone know a good way to secure the block? i gotta rotate the crank to TDC to put in the cams.
Just PM me with your paypal info.
trailbikerider 07-23-2008, 09:47 AM Dude, this is the first time I've heard of this. Good luck on the project, and I wish I could make it over there to help, but I don't have the time to.
Timmeh! 07-23-2008, 10:19 AM thanks for moving me, when i started this thread there wasn't a forum for engine swaps.
and trailbikerider it's alright man, its just nice to have people on here seeing whats up.
helps keep me motivated.
Timmeh! 07-23-2008, 09:39 PM updates!
got quite a bit of work done today. got all 4 cams on, just need put the rockers underneath one of them. i got the timing chains on.
turning the crank was surprisingly easy, i just put the crank pulley bolt in and it turned, i didn't even have to hold the block!
that makes me feel VERY confident about when i'm gonna have to turn that motor over and try to start it.
on to the pictures!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0130.jpg
mmm... SVT cams, an extra 20 degrees of timing, and the main reason i need premium.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0131-1.jpg
timing chains!!! ain't gonna be replacing stuff here!
and while i was putting in everything i noticed how clean and in good condition everything was on the engine.
the cams looked great, the bearings looked nice, the whole inside of that motor is in AMAZING shape. my hat's off to Ford and the SVT team for designing such a great engine, and also the whoever owned this motor before me, it was taken care of.
it definitely doesn't look like it's got 67k on it.
TnFocus 07-24-2008, 07:17 AM I can't wait to see this finished, i've read through all 6 pages, (40 post per page) it's so interesting... I really can't wait to see the numbers this thing puts down. Good luck, i'm so excited to start mine!
I went out there for most of yesterday afternoon. It really does look good in person.
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 09:06 AM thanks tennessee.
as promised it will get dynoed and weighed, that total price will be added up, i'm keeping track of parts needed and prices and what custom work must be done.
even if i dont manage to break the 200whp barrier, all the low end torque is gonna be sick.
and having a manual is SO worth it.
Hey, stop pm'ing me and makin fun of my pictures and go make this shit run foo!
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 10:39 AM lol.
im wasnt making funz.
i dont have any pics like that of me.....
i do have one of me hugging my car, the day i got it.
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 10:41 AM http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/2077000-2077999/2077900_1_full.jpg
Lol.. thats not the point thought. GO BUILD A CAR... that was the point
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 10:59 AM im going to the junkyard in a little bit. jesus.
calm down, lol.
i'll have the valve covers on before today is over.
kylesvt720 07-24-2008, 04:23 PM I love this... Just found it, I'm not sure why I missed it before...
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 10:21 PM you missed it before because it started a year ago and was in FF Tech Chat.
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 10:25 PM Today's Update!
So i did manage to find a few parts i needed at the junkyard.
the ever elusive returnless fuel rail off an '00 V6 Contour (a rare find indeed)
and the coil pack that i thought it had, but was really missing.
did get those rockers in, and started cleaning off the old gasket material so i could put the timing and valve covers on.
got the stuff to raise up my racing seats (new bolts and spacers) 1.25" and got the passenger side seat in.
i'm gonna have pictures on the new parts in tomorrows update.
here are some seat pictures.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0132.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/fucusmasta13/IMG_0133.jpg
please excuse the dirty windshield, running car comes before clean car.
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 10:27 PM lol.
i love how you can see BOTH of my old high school parking passes.
and my change tin, its that weird tin on the dash.
and of course the interior is full of crap.
FOCUSSTDRIVER 07-24-2008, 11:40 PM totally should put a SHO motor in there....that would be so nice...thats what that motor all torn a part looks like to me when i had my sho ripped apart
Timmeh! 07-24-2008, 11:47 PM you CAN do a SHO swap, but its a LOT more custom work.
the Contour SVT swap just takes a returnless fuel rail and a custom height passenger motor mount (an extra 2.5-3 inches) and the custom wiring of course.
the SHO requires a lot more custom work, including chopping up the front subframe.
and the Contour SVT motor can be built up for 400hp wit ha .3 overbore and turbo.
so i still have LOTS of potential with the d25.
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