I called my dealership today and asked if they would accept a trade in, my 2007 zx3 for a 2002 SVT. The SVT is gunmetal "liquid gray" color, with the EAP wheels on it. Lowered on Eibach Pro Kit System Coilovers, and intake, headers, exhaust, and sts. Lots of other stuff. THey said it would be even trade but id still have to make my payments on my other car, but it would get switched over. SHould i do it or just avoid all the trouble and keep mine?

Hmmm.....Tough question, me (and this is only me) I'd keep the '07 w/factory warrenty, make the payments ( fact of the matter is, it's worth more being newer) and maybe get an SVT later down the road. But it's only me.

yea thats what ive been thinking, but i like to do appearance mods and there is almost NO mods like that for 05+ focus. No halo headlights, no OEM carbon hoods, nothing... ANd the SVT is faster, and i cant think of how to make my 07 as fast as a svt. right now im running about 155hp

keep the 07 bro.

It's all your call! But I have a D23E engine with "I think" about 140hp stock, and I'm adding a cossi with hopes of an additional 7ish Hp, and then a exhaust about another 7-8ish hp, +/- SCT flasher and I hope to be near 160-160 hp. We'll see.

i have the D20 and with my mods it comes to around 155hp. What can i do to put the stock SVT's to shame?

Keep the 07 you get the warenty and avoid alot of hassle since the SVT is getting older

Well we cant do UDP maybe ajustable cam gears TB,Headers, Flex Pipe, just basically anything off focus sport will at least help a lil

i have the D20 and with my mods it comes to around 155hp. What can i do to put the stock SVT's to shame?

Maybe tune? Us duratecs have more tourque than the SVT=out right fast, but I refuse to get into the ST vs. SVT conflict/war [B)] . LOL

ok, lets say i have a STOCK 2007 ZX3 with a D20 motor. If i do all these mods will i beat a svt

2.25 exhaust
intake
tune
header
intake manifold
lowered
strut bars

vs a STOCK SVT

It would would be a good race

hard to say, for sure youll be putting out more tq then the svt, svt dyno is around 135-145 hp wise you may be close but still say a few ponies short

also svt never came in liquid grey, so might be a mocked up svt, or just got painted

also i say keep the 07 newer, warranty, and eventually wil have better mods seeing as the 08s have the 2.0 duras

It would would be a good race

It should be, but it comes down to the driver. Let throw in a STS for quicker shifting, that wouldn't hurt[thumb]

yea it was painted by the ford dealership, they are whose selling it. They said they painted it, and they even painted the build number on the bumper. It looks sharp, but i geuss i will keep the 07, and do a front end SVT conversion because i love the bumper and lights.

Um, go over that car with a comb dude. SVTs NEVER came in grey; if some idiot put headers on it, he went backwards in power, there is no better design than the OEM, unless its for F/I; Prokit springs are roughly SVT-strength, but shorter, its mostly a cosmetic upgrade, and they are supposed to be matched to their dampers, they arent coilovers.

Smells wrong to me.

If youre serious about the SVT take some pics and post 'em up, more sets of eyes looking it over wouldnt hurt... plus im curious what it looks like [:D]

ok, lets say i have a STOCK 2007 ZX3 with a D20 motor. If i do all these mods will i beat a svt

2.25 exhaust
intake
tune
header
intake manifold
lowered
strut bars

vs a STOCK SVT

Dude, check out this thread for duratec dyno info, this might help?
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101159

yea, i really doubt that a real svt...why would they paint it liquid gray, why not the color it was orginally, doesnt make sense for a dealer to do that. Also, the 02s were plagued with problems and you wont have a warrenty. Keep the 07, you got a good motor, and as long as you got a manual tranny, you can make your car as fast as an svt easily, and itll be better cause youll have more tq. exhaust, intake, header, tune, intake manifold, svt or eibach suspension, svt brakes, and maybe some head work and you'll be good to go.

get whatever has the lowest miles..personally i'd keep the 07

Keep the 07. If you want power - turbocharge it perhaps?

i told them the car looked a little shady, and they said thats ok, they have another svt. we walk around back and there is a shiny SVT 2door focus hatch, black. Power everything, i think it had a sunroof, svt wheels, the badges, everything. stock svt. he said my payments would go down, and i talked to my insurance and they said it would only go up 6$ a month!! So im REALLLY thinking about doing this!!![limp]

and would my 2007 magnaflow exhaust fit on the 2004 svt?

Just keep your car, build your credit, and pick up an 04 later. It's known to be a bit more reliable.

what year is the black svt, if its 04 and has warranty itd be tempting cuz well its an svt, but the sura is a better motor to build off then the svt, but do what makes you happy, me id keep the 07 newer car, the d20 is a good engine, and b2b warranty is always a good thing, best svt has is a powertrain

i told them the car looked a little shady, and they said thats ok, they have another svt. we walk around back and there is a shiny SVT 2door focus hatch, black. Power everything, i think it had a sunroof, svt wheels, the badges, everything. stock svt. he said my payments would go down, and i talked to my insurance and they said it would only go up 6$ a month!! So im REALLLY thinking about doing this!!![limp]

What year is it, if 04 consider it. But no, unfortunatly, non of your mods except maybe the strut bar will fit. The exhaust wont cause you have a different engine. You'd have to part all your mods or leave em on the car, but id definitly part them if i could, if you have aftermarket rims though those will fit. I dont even think the springs would fit cause i think the 06-07 foci had a few minor suspension changes, youd have to search for that but regardless if the springs fit youll need to pick up matching dampers cause its not good to have stiffer springs on stock dampers. Good luck, but if your not planning on making a beastly focus like 300+ horsepower, then id keep the 07 and slap a turbo on it. But what year is the svt and what options does it have...like does it have HIDs cause you cant get those for your car.

it has HIDs , sunroof, EVERY OPTION avail., and it is flawless. I DO plan on pushing it to at least 250whp and move on from there, but im talking to them tomarrow.

Ive decided not to do it. I will not have ANY warranty. I will have to pay for ANYTHING that breaks on it. Right now i have extended warrenty, everything on my car, i know how its been drivin and im the only one to own and drive it. I know nothing about the SVT. Ive decided to keep the 07 ^_^

good choice, i think you would of went through more hassel if you got the svt. Now, just save your money for a FS turbo [;)]

Negative equity in the '07 aside, I probably would've gone for the SVT. You get a lot more car for the money...everyone who has responded so far seems to think that the only benchmark of a car's performance is its straight-line capability; "Oh well the SVT only has 145 TQ so with a few bolt-ons your D20 will be able to take it." What about all the other features that makes the SVT a great car, like its suspension, larger front brakes, rear disc brakes and six-speed gearbox? And even the non-performance add-ons, like the interior and HID headlights (which are reason #1 for me not ever wanting an '05-07.) A bolt-on modded D20 might be able to hang with a stock SVTF in the quarter, but take it to any other venue (auto-x or road course) and all you'll be seeing of the SVT is its tail lights.

Dude, I have a D20E with 5Zigen Fireball exhaust and a homemade CAI and one of those supposed 20+ hp chips (xcal2 coming by wednesday hopefully) and I have raced and fended off a couple of SVTs. They are not that fast stock. With the mods you have you can beat them I'm sure. I have done it a few times.

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Again, you're judging the SVT in straight-line situations. The Getrag 6-speed that the SVT comes with is known to be weak in drag-applications (like the stoplight races that I'm sure you're referring to.) Take your car to an autocross or road course and see how well you beat them...hell, if I want to go fast in a straight line I'll go drive my old '93 Ranger XLT with a 4.0 V6 and a five-speed.

also svt never came in liquid grey, so might be a mocked up svt, or just got painted


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What he said, look into it b/c you are about to get RIPPED if they are selling a 02 at SVT price.

There is a guy around here (have not seen him in a while) who had his standard red ZX3 painted liquid grey and had the SVT EAP wheels and body kit on it. It had airbag suspension so its possible it was sold off and ended up near you.

trade it in for a fusion or edge

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Again, you're judging the SVT in straight-line situations. The Getrag 6-speed that the SVT comes with is known to be weak in drag-applications (like the stoplight races that I'm sure you're referring to.) Take your car to an autocross or road course and see how well you beat them...hell, if I want to go fast in a straight line I'll go drive my old '93 Ranger XLT with a 4.0 V6 and a five-speed.

yea, but he can still upgrade his car to and beyond svt performance....it can be done and many have done so.....beyond just straight line performance. I'm not saying that its not a great car, just its not an unreachable god.

Big brakes
Close ratio 6 spd
Better resale (not that it really matters because it would be modded and driven)
Limited edition.

Now I like a modded Duratec as much as the next guy, but if I didn't mind not having all the extra space in the back, then a late model SVT wouldn't be a bad choice IMO because of all the extras that you can't get on the newer cars. You can do the brakes- $1000 + wheels +tires. I've estimated it to be a $2k-2.5 upgrade that I'm considering. These things make the SVT worthwhile as far as performance goes.

Finance, on the other hand is completley different. The dealer had you pegged for a sucker. What did you pay sticker for your 07 + warranty? That's what they wanted you to pay for that premo SVT- plus interest. By the time you made your regular payments on schedule you'd be paying (guess) $22k for a car that's already close to 4 model years old! Of course that all depends on what your payments are, how much you put down, and how many months you have left. That salesman was giggling to himself when you even considered it. He saw that spark in your eyes like I've seen sparks in girls eyes at the bar (after I've fed them enough drinks to float a battleship), and he was moving in for the kill for sure.

You made the right choice, however, respect the SVT for the track car it is. Most of the best priced parts you'll be putting on your car were those that came stock in SVT's.

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Agreed, I've spent over $1250 just making my Focus brake and handle pretty much the same way a SVT does right off the lot...$600 for the BAT Inc front brake kit (got it before the FR SVT kit came out), $450 for SVT rear discs and $250 for SVT suspension. Had I been able to track down a used SVT for under $10,000 when I got my Focus in 2004 (I found a few, but they were gone by the time I did) that's what I'd be driving today.

And as far as modding a Duratec...how many people on here are making over 300 WHP on a stock Duratec?

Hey! Here's a thought. Stop comparing your car to an SVT. This crap is so old. Just mod your car to what you like. Stock for stock no other U.S. focus hangs with the SVT. The ST is close ,but not quite the total package. You can mod an SPI to beat a stock SVT if you want. A fast car is a fast car ,so just make it fast and stop worrying you can beat an SVT. This crap is getting so old.