ok so i am going to buy one or the other this weekend.

so i could get a 04 srt4 and do boost controller,intake,exhaust, bov and vafc

or

04 gto intake/exhaust/tune


i fell in love with the gto but they have problems from what i hear. and the srt4 is well a neon.

thought about a rx8 but they just dont have enough power for me. dont want a subie.

I say GTO as long as the RWD is not going to give you trouble in the winter. I don't know how much snow you guys get in Ohio. I feel the GTO is going to hold it's value better than the SRT-4.

GTO. it has an ls1, which should be enough to persuade anyone who cannot decide.

Meh...neither car gets me all that excited. Its like giving me the choice to listen to country music or have a root canal...

GTO. it has an ls1, which should be enough to persuade anyone who cannot decide.

Exactly. I've got a big thing for these cars. Take american muscle, the thing we do well, and wrap a eurpoean car around it. For what its worth, Clarkson loved the Monaro, which is the same damn thing.

And yeah I know the SRT-4 is power on tap, but uh... LS1. You can go back and forth if you want, but if you want to throw money at either one I think the smart money is on the Chevy small block. What a genius engine... So many things right with this car...

GTO.

Meh...neither car gets me all that excited. Its like giving me the choice to listen to country music or have a root canal...


I vote root canal. In the long run it will have a postive out come.

If get an SRT-4 over a GTO I'll come by your house and punch you! LOL I'm just kidding but having now driven both. My friend has a lightly modified SRT and another friend has a bone stock GTO. Hands freakin down the GTO was soooooo much nicer of a car and so much better to drive.

yea thats what i was thinking and can anyone say twin gt35r`s in the future??????

by the way the goat will only see 1 winter moving to fl. and i wont drive it unless i have to next winter.

found the one im getting 04 quick silver 10,000 miles 20,000 dollars.

just get a 350Z :)

Gto Ftw!

just get a 350Z :)

hate those damn things....

Ok, one GTO hands down, so much better then the srt-4 will hold its value better, mod price to the power gain will be alot better on the LS1 obviously. But, wait keep looking, id really advise not to get an 04, its the first model year, and yes they had problems. But if your willing to pay 20k for one, keep looking you can find 05s with the LS2 in them for around the same price. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217367028&dealer_id=36741099&car_year=2005&num_records=25&model=GTO&make2=&start_year=2005&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&search_type=both&distance=0&make=PONT&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=11580&advanced=&end_year=2007&transmission=&doors=&max_price=&cardist=1339

Honestly, go on autotrader etc and look for 05s, even if you cant find one as cheap as the 04, itll be worth the little extra money for the LS2, duel exhausts and the fixed problems.

Oh, and the gto will cost less to insure then the srt-4...another reason to get one. But please please, look for an 05. Itll be worth the effort

Orrrrr..what about an S2000? Might not be as fast as either but a more purer sports car than the GTO.

Ok, one GTO hands down, so much better then the srt-4 will hold its value better, mod price to the power gain will be alot better on the LS1 obviously. But, wait keep looking, id really advise not to get an 04, its the first model year, and yes they had problems. But if your willing to pay 20k for one, keep looking you can find 05s with the LS2 in them for around the same price. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217367028&dealer_id=36741099&car_year=2005&num_records=25&model=GTO&make2=&start_year=2005&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&search_type=both&distance=0&make=PONT&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=11580&advanced=&end_year=2007&transmission=&doors=&max_price=&cardist=1339

Honestly, go on autotrader etc and look for 05s, even if you cant find one as cheap as the 04, itll be worth the little extra money for the LS2, duel exhausts and the fixed problems.

Oh, and the gto will cost less to insure then the srt-4...another reason to get one. But please please, look for an 05. Itll be worth the effort

agreed!

Get the Goat :)

gto theres no chance id take a str4 over a gto, less the gto was rusted, engine had 140k on it, interior was shit, 3 different wheels, the engine was a traded down fora weedwacker engine, THEN id take the srt4

I think the GTOs are ugly, but I'd take one over an SRT4 anyday. Plus they discontinued the SRT4 already.

I think the GTOs are ugly, but I'd take one over an SRT4 anyday. Plus they discontinued the SRT4 already.

No they discontinued the SRT-4 Neon. The SRT-4 Caliber has yet to hit dealerships (atleast I haven't seen any).

Also, just to add. After thinking about this thread. If it were me, I would be leaning more towards a 350Z/G35coupe or, as I said earlier, what about an S2000? Just my $.02

GTO for sure. Better quality all around. And the LS1 is nice too.

Chad

Please don't do this comparo again... [8]
we have lot's of GTO's around here disguised as Holden's with LS2's...
I can't think i'll replace a silly neon in it's place [goofydrunk]

Okay, they discontinued the GTO, as well.

Yeah, get the GTO. The interior is leagues ahead of the SRT-4, and, you know, LS1/2 (find an 05!).

GET THE GOAT!! Just go for an '05 or later model with the LS2.

The Goat...

The Goat...

Let's face facts- there is only so much power you can put through the front wheels because they also steer the car.

The GTO has v-8 power and independent suspension. The only problem with the GTO IMO is that it looks a bit too much like every other pontiac in the world (of course, not such a bad thing if you like driving a sleeper).

GTO hands down.

Besides, every recent chrysler product I've sat in has the cheapest plastics on the interior (jeep, dodge, chrysler,...). GM does a much better job in that department.

Go for something unique like a Delorean or an older NSX. Well maybe not a Delorean.[nutkick]

Gto 100%

Go for something unique like a Delorean or an older NSX. Well maybe not a Delorean.[nutkick]

you have any idea how much a replacement engine/transmission costs for an NSX?

short block alone is roughly $25k.[eek]

you have any idea how much a replacement engine/transmission costs for an NSX?

short block alone is roughly $25k.[eek]

The Titanium con rods alone probably go for more than my entire car is worth... In fact, I'd wager money they do.

I'm not sure an NSX, which amounts to an Exotic by about any measure, is really in the same bin as a GTO.

Hmmm, GTO or Neon SRT-4. That's kind of like asking - hot disease free chick or transvestite with every std known to man. Sure the SRT-4 is a nice car, but given those options, the GTO wins hands down if only because it is an actual performance car.

Yeah, the GTO looks bland - makes a good sleeper. In fact, such a good sleeper that the bulk of the car buying public (cops included) mistake it for the other generic pontiac products.

As for rear wheel drive - it isn't as bad in the snow as everyone makes it out to be. Because of the fact that you can lose traction easier, you become a better driver in winter - if only because you know what's going on earlier, plus doing snow donuts is infinitely more fun in a decently powerful rwd car than in a fwd car.

I'm going to be ricer boy outcast and say SRT-4....................*wisper*Get the Goat */wisper* [thumb]

Have you sat in or driven either of these cars? I have, and i cant imagine why you would ever take the neon when you could step into the GTO.
What are these problems you have heard about in the gto? The LsX drivetrain is just as reliable as it is potent. I have over 50,000 madman miles on my ls1 firebird with the same six speed. Havent had a single issue aside from the rubber brake hosing expanding on me under hard braking while in a turn. (Stainless steel brake lines fixed that easy) The interior of the gto insnt ferrari but it makes the neon feel like an adult size hotwheel. More room. more comfortable. more respectfull.
Neons throttle says understeer of the road. GTO's throttle says oversteer into the apex.
Anyway both cars have a strong aftermarket and perform well. You will hit a performance platue in neon a little sooner than you would the GTO but modding the neon should be slightly cheaper. (neither of the cars should be modded that much anyway in my opinion.)
But your question was as if you could easily afford either one. If that is the case i say it would be foolish not to get the pontiac.
good luck with your decision

Yeah go for the gto...don't need another srt-4 neon buzzing around my terminator thinking they're the fastest thing in the world...same with g35's and 350z's. like gnats at a bbq they never go away and when u kill them there's always more that come back.

Yeah, the GTO looks bland - makes a good sleeper. In fact, such a good sleeper that the bulk of the car buying public (cops included) mistake it for the other generic pontiac products.

As for rear wheel drive - it isn't as bad in the snow as everyone makes it out to be. Because of the fact that you can lose traction easier, you become a better driver in winter - if only because you know what's going on earlier, plus doing snow donuts is infinitely more fun in a decently powerful rwd car than in a fwd car.
GTO owners I know constantly hear "Hey nice G6! Is it a four or six cylinder?" So yeah, sleeper is a nice term for it, especially if you get one without the nostrils. I think it's amazingly boring on the outside, but very nice on the inside, which is infinitely more important from where I'd be sitting (the driver's seat).

RWD in the snow isn't bad. RWD with 400 hp IS. Get snow tires or don't drive it in the snow unless you enjoy driving it sideways.

One of my professors has a 6.0l GTO and drove in the snow the other day, and said it wasnt that bad. His first time too. He said the traction control worked pretty well. Plus the car has some weight to it, so throw on some snow tires and i think you'll be fine. Anyway, outside may not be the best looking, but the inside i think is one of the best looking interiors. Even though its a coupe, the rear seats are very comfortable and you got decent room in the back. The interior is better quality then most GMs b/c its the stuff from aussie. Sit in one, i honestly love the seats, the driving position is good too, and even the automatic snaps your head back, i can only imagine the manual. Its a hell of a car, and it definitly handled alot better then i expected it too. At the 05 autoshow in motion GM thing, i drove one as well as many cars. I tested a monte carlo ss s/c and around turns the tires squeeled. GTO took those turns very well, no squeel from the tires at all, and very little body lean, they really did a nice job on the car. Without a doubt, get the GTO. I love the red or blue leather seats you can get with them, i just wish the black ones came with blue seats...my favorite combo.

The Titanium con rods alone probably go for more than my entire car is worth... In fact, I'd wager money they do.

I'm not sure an NSX, which amounts to an Exotic by about any measure, is really in the same bin as a GTO.

Yea I was just kidding. But I did find a couple used NSXs for under 25k. If you like exotics with over 100k miles then I say go for it![headbang]

well the gto is out of the picture talked to my uncle tonight and he said look at about 200-250 a month in gas this summer.

what would it take to get a srt4 into the 12`s?

GTO ALL THE WAY. Ive driven Both. The GTO is sweet

SRT4 all the way! Awesome looking car. Faster and great handling, you'll find negative responses cause they think the Neon was/is the main competition of the Focus lol

they had a neon here in memphis runnin 12's early 11's never saw it up close but i think it was all wheel drive converted it had a 4x4 sticker by the bee. I'll just say this it would cost more thatn the goats gas get the goat u will never get the money out of the neon if u go to ever sell it.

personally i would get a 04-06 stang gt 5spd insurance is wat i would make my decison on.

what would it take to get a srt4 into the 12`s?

alot of gas[:)]

check out this link: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/19649.shtml

that gas mileage isnt bad at all. the gto has so much torque that it can get away with having an extraodinarily tall top gear.

yea but the stang only has about 230whp/ 280wtq and 3100lbs a srt-4 would walk away from it

go w/the GTO. V8 power and plenty of room to grow.

do exaust & a SC and ud be golden.

just my 0.02$

Sarif2029

they are two completely different cars.


rwd > fwd. hahah that is all i have to say.


go for the goat dude!

the neon, well, its just another skittle.

04 gto intake/exhaust/tune

These cars are probably the best deal going right now. No one wants them cause they look like crap. But they go like stink. I've driven one and there definetly a fun car.

The only problem with the GTO IMO is that it looks a bit too much like every other pontiac in the world (of course, not such a bad thing if you like driving a sleeper).


It really is invisible. I remmber walking around this FD3S RX-7 on a local lot for about 5 minutes, and then only realized as I drove away and looked back at it that there was a GTO right next to it. Never even registered.

My main issue with the GTO is that it's very heavy. Almost 3800 pounds! Lots of power, it still goes great in a staight line, decent handling, but you just don't get that "agile" feeling out of it that I love so much, and get out of the SVTF.

I'd rather not even mention the SRT-4. Took one on a test drive and aside from the power it was awful. Took one decent corner, and turned around back to the dealership right there. Handles like a 70's Caddy.

well the gto is out of the picture talked to my uncle tonight and he said look at about 200-250 a month in gas this summer.

what would it take to get a srt4 into the 12`s?

200-250 a month....how many miles are you going to drive. This is total assumption but id have to say your uncle is just basing his opinion on that its a v8. The GTO gets pretty good gas milage for how much power its making and how heavy it is. My professor has one and he gets as good of gas milage as i do in my freaken focus...dont ask lol. Like someone said, it has so much tq through the whole powerband its so easy to get around. Your not going be paying that much a month, unless your driving a rediuclous amount of miles a day. HAHA the srt-4 doesnt get much better milage, and what do you think ull be getting once your srt-4 is in the 12's lol.

GET THE GTO, itll take alot less to get the Goat in the 12s then the srt-4. Just to let you know, guys with stock LS2 GTO's are running 13.1 and with sticky tires they are breaking into the high 12s. The LS1s are running mid 13's sometimes low. Just to give you an idea of how far you'd have to go to get into the 12s. You'll be in the 12s and still get good gas milage [headbang]

And a srt4 is basically equal with a stock 00-04 mustang GT, but it would not walk away from a 05+ GT. Please, dont get the srt4.

The GTO is a sweet ride.

LS1...
r u crazy even asking this question....
way more potential in the V8

04 gto sweet car

I like hearing about the fuel economy GTO owners get, and more importantly, the difference between highway and city. On the highway, high 20s are not unheard of. In the city? You're way lucky if you hit 20.

Keep in mind, the SRT-4 uses premium (although I just checked and so does the GTO) and its fuel economy will be largely dependent on how often you're in boost.

I Know I Know Its Like The 2nd Pg Already And Most Likely Ppl Already Said It!!!!!!!!!! So Dont Hate And Complain Bout Me Posting So Late!! But Dude R U For Real Unless U Live In Alaska Then U Have To No No No U Must Noo Wait U Gotz 2 Get The Gto Its A Sweet Car Beautiful Car Its Power And Class Its Big Gas Guzzler But So Is The Neon If U Gonna Be Pushing It Any Car That Thinks Its Its Fast Will Come Up To U And Try To Race U Will Beat Unless Its A Newer Gto For The Price Ull Get The Neon Get Gto Bro Im Done My Boss Hes Coming Crap I Have So Much More Too Say!!!!!!!

I Know I Know Its Like The 2nd Pg Already And Most Likely Ppl Already Said It!!!!!!!!!! So Dont Hate And Complain Bout Me Posting So Late!! But Dude R U For Real Unless U Live In Alaska Then U Have To No No No U Must Noo Wait U Gotz 2 Get The Gto Its A Sweet Car Beautiful Car Its Power And Class Its Big Gas Guzzler But So Is The Neon If U Gonna Be Pushing It Any Car That Thinks Its Its Fast Will Come Up To U And Try To Race U Will Beat Unless Its A Newer Gto For The Price Ull Get The Neon Get Gto Bro Im Done My Boss Hes Coming Crap I Have So Much More Too Say!!!!!!!

....Uhm.... what?

Moving on, gas will cost you more in the GTO in all likelihood. However, the SRT-4 has been consistently listed as one of the Top 10 Most Expensive Cars to Insure (at least in my recollection, I'll try to verify that later). If you havent gotten quotes on both cars, you should. I'm willing to bet the difference will more than offset whatever you'd pay in gas.

wow the gto besides its giant size is not much of a gas guzzlers as people expect i mean im not saying its gonna save more gas than a neon but its not a typicall v8 guzzler like everyone says it is have a turbo on my foci and truzt me it waste gas but not as much as my lt1 of course

Another car in this arena you didnt mention is the '04 up Volvo S60R/V70R with the 6MT which can be had below 25K which I think is the range of the GTO. You could hang with either of those cars in style. These have the engine borrowed for the new ST Focus in europe.

Insurance is cheaper than my Foci were. Plus, I get approx 20mpg driving mine and I'm boosting 1bar most of the time, back off and I can get 28+ mpg on the hwy.

I'm not sure an NSX, which amounts to an Exotic by about any measure, is really in the same bin as a GTO.


Actually early 90's NSX's are a very realistic option. There was a guy on the nissan forums that sold his 240SX for one and it only cost him like 30 bucks a month more for the NSX over his 240. I would say go NSX if you can find one.

its funny too see how everyone saying its a gas guzzler.....
if you have the money to buy one...
you got the money to fill er up....[hah]

just my 2cents, but GTO all the way.[thumb]

Meh...neither car gets me all that excited. Its like giving me the choice to listen to country music or have a root canal...

Go with the root canal