: It has started...V8 Swap
Mr.Pressurized 04-01-2004, 09:29 PM The project is officially underway as a few might be aware. I have received the components to finish the front end conversion including mounts, suspension conversion pieces, steering rack extension etc. I have not had a lot of time to work on it lately but I figured I would let you know what is up. Special thanks to Mr. Squatch for his help on this!
I am installing a 351W V8 engine that currently makes about 465hp (with changes could add another 25) with the following specs:
351W bored .040 10.5:1 compression (built for 200+ shot)
TRW lightweight forged pistons
Eagle Forged rods
Edelbrock performer intake (changing to Torker II or Victor Jr)
Holley 650 cfm carb (changing to 750)
Ford Racing 9mm plug wires
Pertronix electronic ignition
Edelbrock Performer aluminum heads w/ 190 int / 160 exh, ported and polished
Milodon stainless valves
Comp Cams hardened chromoly pushrods
Comp Cams Magnum valve springs, w/ titanium retainers
Comp Cams magnum roller cam : .533 lift , 284 duration, 110 LSA, 106 centerline
Comp Cams magnum roller lifters
Comp Cams pro magnum 1.7 roller rockers
Comp Cams double roller timing chain
Clevite bearings
Pro Comp balancer
Edelbrock elite valve covers, and air cleaner
Accel cool blue air filter
I have not settled on a transmission yet but have narrowed it down to:
C-4 Super comp with manual valve body and 3500 stall or Tremec TKO 5 speed.
The rear end is a 8.8 out of a 87 T-bird turbo coupe (4x108 with disk brakes)
I have some high expectations for this project. I definitely see some crazy timeslips in my future.
Here are a couple of pics:
http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/focus13.jpg
http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/focus15.jpg
http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/focus18.jpg
http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/focus19.jpg
http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/focus2.jpg
http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/focus7.jpg
http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/focus8.jpg
You can view the index of pics here: http://www.ksracing.net/v8swap/ More pics will be added as I go.
It will be a lot of work but I am not too worried. If all goes well, look for it on the streets in May!
sexy2002svt 04-01-2004, 09:37 PM omg, that looks and sounds crazy!!! you're gonna have alot of horsepower in that focus......can't wait to see the time slips! good luck [thumb]
l88m22vette 04-01-2004, 09:37 PM good luck man...looks like you'll have that done before I get all my tranny swap parts! lol...later
focuson03 04-01-2004, 09:44 PM omg. . . good luck with that one. I can't wait to see it all finished
how much was the convertion kit?
and what does it have ?
what you gonna do about the RWD convertion...
just curios
Zarelli6 04-01-2004, 10:17 PM holy moley. awesome someone on this site actually has the money to do this...
lemme drive her when you're done. [:)]
staticprevails4 04-01-2004, 11:05 PM [thumb] I like it. get some pics on here when you're finished
Seashrimp 04-01-2004, 11:32 PM Thats some crazy power for FWD. Gona need to put like glue on whatever slicks you run in the quarter. LOL, since it seems like your not pressed for cash why not do a RWD conversion, could put more power down. On second thought, not sure if this is something you should do, has the possibility for disaster...
Vassili95 04-01-2004, 11:34 PM Did you sell your turbo set-up yet???.......:)
Peace...............
Mr.Pressurized 04-02-2004, 07:06 AM The conversion will be RWD when completed.
went to a site and the part without engine, tranny or dif is arroud 5.5k...
not bad...
includes the suspension....
not bad IMO...
i would put a SC engine though....
SVT4ME 04-02-2004, 09:48 AM Well, waddaya know, someone's actually going to do it. Very interesting. Why did you choose the 351 Windsor engine? Just something you had already available or....?
~04~SVT~ 04-02-2004, 10:03 AM Man I need to win the lotto so I will have the only Viper-powered midengine AWD ZX5 around.......oooo think fo the burnouts that would be one hardass car to drive...
Vassili95 04-02-2004, 02:47 PM Originally posted by el_pio
i would put a SC engine though....
...SC V8 makes the Focus a rocket ready to reach the moon......:)
Peace..........
GMISVTFocus 04-02-2004, 02:59 PM Me and My dad want to make a v8 fucus but with a mustang 5.0....And i just thought of somehting could yopu make a v8 focus with all wheel drive???? now that would be the shit
Infra3sv 04-02-2004, 03:33 PM Will the Focus have an independent rear suspension when completed? Any plans for an lsd? Will the AdvanceTrac still be functional?
viney266 04-02-2004, 04:04 PM Just curious...Why a big TALL 351 and not a 302??
My thoughts exactly, curious as to what size cowl you are going to use to clear the taller deck and the air cleaner.
Kicknzx3 04-02-2004, 04:31 PM so whats gonna be the regular daily car?...3500 stall...hmm. good luck man,
jaypee 04-02-2004, 05:38 PM you are a [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]g badass i hope it turns out good :)
Kicknzx3 04-02-2004, 05:48 PM Originally posted by Infra3sv
Will the Focus have an independent rear suspension when completed? Any plans for an lsd? Will the AdvanceTrac still be functional?
8.8 from t-bird, so no.
crazy_urn 04-02-2004, 06:24 PM wow, i am jealous....
BTW: this is the #1 item on me "when i win the lotto" list...
Infra3sv 04-02-2004, 07:00 PM What kind of rear suspension is it?
Mr.Pressurized 04-02-2004, 07:08 PM I chose the 351 because nobody has done it before. Yes, it is tall but there is plenty of room to grow in displacement if I feel the need.
Yes the turbo stuff has been sold.
No, it will not have an IRS. It will have a lsd or possibly an air locker differential in it (BTW, the Turbo T-bird rear end came with a 3.73 gear and traction-loc in it already).
3500 Stall. Yeah, that is pretty high for a daily driver but I don't care. I have driven bitchy cars on the street. What fun would it be if it was easy to drive? It won't likely see rain unless I get caught out in it. If fuel economy was a concern, I wouldn't be doing it.
I will have my body man make me a custom hood. I am not a big fan of most designs out there.
I don't think there will be any way to to make this AWD. That is a project for another car.
As far as boosting it, I am running a carb setup with nitrous this year. After this summer, I will probably convert it to fuel injection once I get more familiar with the AEM standalone. Once it is fuel injected, look for boost if I think the car can handle it.
The money spent so far is about $3000 not including the engine. I am not a rich man but I spend wisely and selling my old mods have covered everything so far. Wait for the right deal and have cash in hand to take advantage of it.
More to come...
neojen 04-02-2004, 07:08 PM nice.. how are you ever going to grab traction? I read about a svt focus w/ a svt supercharged cobra motor that would spin way too much.. thats going to be one fast little car..
mconrada 04-02-2004, 07:35 PM (eyes glazed over and wide open... slight drool rope from mouth to floor... and nothing to say)
Solaris 04-02-2004, 07:57 PM that car will never be a daily drive.....
GMISVTFocus 04-02-2004, 08:05 PM Yea it could be a daily driver if you could aford the gas and he says he can so i give him a big thumbs up and good luck...not to mention im jealous as hell
Kicknzx3 04-02-2004, 08:18 PM well i respect being different. good luck to ya man. can't wait to see the outcome.
Solaris 04-02-2004, 08:31 PM i want him to finish and slap some drag radials on it get us all some times
GMISVTFocus 04-02-2004, 08:34 PM Hell yea Solaris got the right idea
when is the expected finish date?
i2iz3n 04-02-2004, 11:33 PM You freaking ROCK! I'm stoked to see the results of that badboy! Please keep us updated!
OMG I just noticed you are in OK. I'm down here in Dallas Texas. I'm serious about coming to see your car when it is finished. Please keep me posted! I would love to sit in that car!
Thomas5 04-02-2004, 11:43 PM Very cool[thumb] Ahhh, a V8 in a focus, then I could whoop my friend's @$$ in his little Acura Integgy.
avengerc4 04-02-2004, 11:45 PM hey man nice work :) I want to see pics asap ;) at least you have enough money to dfo it and thats all that matters. what do you do for a living???
guerro 04-03-2004, 12:44 AM I will be interested to see pics of the body work that is needed for this swap. Good luck. [thumb]
eggyolk 04-03-2004, 02:12 AM This is going to be like that cobra engine swap, he's not going to be able to put any of the power to the ground. It's cool and all, but would be easier to drive with less power.
mofocus 04-03-2004, 03:13 AM that needs a nice big cowl hood :) and then maybe incorparate a shaker scoop, ala mach 1 :P
GMISVTFocus 04-03-2004, 05:30 AM Hmmn spinning tires yea thats a good point but all he needs are some nice slickes and a tight suspension...ask this guy how it is to drive hes already got a v8 http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/321109
Mr.Pressurized 04-03-2004, 09:08 AM The estimated finish date will be May if I can afford the rest of the components by then.
It won't be easy to lay that power down but with suspension tuning and the right tire it should do very well. The rear end suspension components are much better suited to transferring the power than the Cobra IRS that they used in the magazine car. It will definitely be running slicks at the track.
I will probably do a test fit of the engine this weekend and I will know more about the hood clearance issues then.
Ripinosu 04-03-2004, 10:13 AM What are slicks?
Mr.Pressurized 04-03-2004, 10:36 AM Slicks are tires made of a special compound of rubber designed for maximum traction. They become extremely sticky when heated up and provide high levels of grip for maximum acceleration. By design, they have no tread or almost no tread. They have a very soft sidewall that actually wrinkles under acceleration. The wrinkling effect increases the footprint (contact patch) of the tire to increase grip. A true slick is not a street legal tire and would be difficult to drive on. There are a few with minimal tread depth that have a D.O.T. certification for street use. This type of tire is not a radial design like most modern street tires and they often use a tube inside. They are screwed to the rim usually to prevent the wheel from spinning inside the tire and use extremely low air pressure.
Here is a pic:
Mr.Pressurized 04-03-2004, 10:38 AM Here is the "street version". I doubt you would enjoy this when it rains...[eek]
viney266 04-03-2004, 10:42 AM A " shaker" hood is a good idea if you are into building one, have fun and keep us up to date!
Ripinosu 04-03-2004, 11:28 AM Originally posted by Mr.Pressurized
Here is the "street version". I doubt you would enjoy this when it rains...[eek]
Thanks.
Spooner04 04-03-2004, 01:24 PM okay, after all of that, what's a "shaker hood"?
mconrada 04-03-2004, 01:44 PM Look at the Mach 1's hood or an old Trans Am. Its a hood that has a section removed to allow room for whats beneath it. I think its usually for an intake or carborator. I believe it got its name from it shaking when at idol... although the new Mach 1 doesn't do a whloe lot a shaking.
drewzx3 04-06-2004, 02:47 PM Mr.Pressurized you have one hell of a sleeper right now.
Seb656 04-06-2004, 03:14 PM I think I just wet myself thats a bad bitch
tjm73 04-06-2004, 03:56 PM Originally posted by eggyolk
This is going to be like that cobra engine swap, he's not going to be able to put any of the power to the ground. It's cool and all, but would be easier to drive with less power.
WRONG!! It'll put as much power as he has to the ground and more. You tune traction, like you tune anything else. Other wise, the 2000 hp 6 second Mustangs wouldn't run in the 6's. The mustang has LESS wheelbase too. Joe Morgan runs a turbo 2.3 based engine in a Focus wagon that makes WAYYYY more power than this and he hooks up.
Rock on!! Sweet car. I hope you make it look as sleeper an possible.
Seb656 04-06-2004, 04:31 PM LoL you need to do the engine swap in a Wagon then it would be sleeper I can't wait for this Its gonna kick ass Traction will be a problem but you will solve it
eggyolk 04-06-2004, 05:13 PM If it's a drag car, ya, slicks and some weight will get you down the track. Next time I will state the obvious so I don't get called on it. But I still think it's too much power for anything else. It didn't sound like he was building it as a drag car, sounds to me like he wanted to drive it around and maybe take it to a track with some turns in it.
tjm73 04-06-2004, 05:21 PM Originally posted by eggyolk
If it's a drag car, ya, slicks and some weight will get you down the track. Next time I will state the obvious so I don't get called on it. But I still think it's too much power for anything else. It didn't sound like he was building it as a drag car, sounds to me like he wanted to drive it around and maybe take it to a track with some turns in it.
NASCAR race cars make about 700hp and they run around legendary road course tracks like Watkins Glen and handle quite nicely. Plenty of road race cars make the kind of power he has and they handle just fine. There are thousands of high horsepower cars roaming the streets everyday that handle well.
Now I'm not saying it won't be handfull to control with that kind of power. But it can be done and done well. He'll have about 350-375 hp at the wheels. Plenty of power, but not an extreme ammount.
Mr.Pressurized 04-06-2004, 05:22 PM It will see slicks and be at the track. This car will be a street driven car. I have a full interior and I am planning on have a/c too.
I am glad someone understand "tuning the suspension". This is exactly what you have to do. With a longer wheel base and lighter chassis, I should be able to put some serious numbers down. Only time will tell.
I spent the weekend cutting the trans tunnell and test fitting things. I will post some pics soon.
tjm73 04-06-2004, 05:27 PM You going to run the same wheels? Those are sweet looking. Is the rear end width correct for the backspacing of your wheels? Which rear end do they reccommend for the correct width?
This is soooo cool!!!
mustfcs 04-07-2004, 07:44 AM That is just going to be sick, I can't wait to hear the 1/4 mile time for her...
Holy s[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]! (Huge smile and ectsay moan here) LOL Good Luck and u rock 4 doing this!! I can't beleive I barely read this!
If you have $70,000 here is the supercharged cobra engine and all the other goodies....
http://www.atimotorsports.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=76
and here is the plain old 5.0
http://www.atimotorsports.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=77
I cannot wait...
There are two other companies that do this too.... save $$$$$
this thread gets me all hot and bothered
A lot of people seem to have this illusion that 500 horsepower isn't streetable. True, it isn't well-behaved in the sense that you need to watch the throttle, but as long as you're not retarded on the street and gunning it at stoplights, you'll pick up just fine. Throttle modulation is key. True, you can't go wide open from first gear, but once the car is rolling you can stomp on it and have all the power go to the pavement.
The couple of times that I've been in my friend's 700 rwhp blown solid roller 383 Z28, it seemed just fine going through street traffic. Granted it was deafeningly loud and I'm sure cops looooooved hearing a blowoff valve every time he shifted, but the car didn't flip upside down or do donuts just because he touched the gas pedal.
GonFishin 04-14-2004, 11:05 AM I didn't see anything mentioned about the body flex associated with a rear wheel drive monster. Do you plan on installing a roll cage or something to keep your car from twisting apart? The Focus isn't designed to handle high amounts of rwd torque. I'm sure a roll cage isn't out of your skill level though since you're doing all this other stuff. Just wandering if you've thought about it...it'll take away from the sleeper look (although that rear differential kinda gives it away...oh, and the familiar sound of the v-8).
Good luck...thanks for sharing your project with us.
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Mr.Pressurized 04-14-2004, 11:28 AM The Focus has a stronger unibody than the Mustangs to. It should handle 650-750 without much trouble. I will probably end up with a roll cage in it due to the fact that the local dragstrip is and NHRA track and they will boot me out (untill I get a cage) if the times are like I expect them to be.
I have some new pics that I will post up. We did a test fit of the engine over the weekend. It looks awesome sitting in there. There are still a few kinks to get worked out but I am still thinking next month.
TORQUERULES 04-14-2004, 12:14 PM Use a Performer RPM Air Gap or Victor Jr. Do not go with the old Torker. The Air Gap is probably better matched to your cam. Good luck. It will be bad as hell!!!!
Originally posted by Mr.Pressurized
The project is officially underway as a few might be aware. I have received the components to finish the front end conversion including mounts, suspension conversion pieces, steering rack extension etc. I have not had a lot of time to work on it lately but I figured I would let you know what is up. Special thanks to Mr. Squatch for his help on this!
I am installing a 351W V8 engine that currently makes about 465hp (with changes could add another 25) with the following specs:
351W bored .040 10.5:1 compression (built for 200+ shot)
TRW lightweight forged pistons
Eagle Forged rods
Edelbrock performer intake (changing to Torker II or Victor Jr)
Holley 650 cfm carb (changing to 750)
Ford Racing 9mm plug wires
Pertronix electronic ignition
Edelbrock Performer aluminum heads w/ 190 int / 160 exh, ported and polished
Milodon stainless valves
Comp Cams hardened chromoly pushrods
Comp Cams Magnum valve springs, w/ titanium retainers
Comp Cams magnum roller cam : .533 lift , 284 duration, 110 LSA, 106 centerline
Comp Cams magnum roller lifters
Comp Cams pro magnum 1.7 roller rockers
Comp Cams double roller timing chain
Clevite bearings
Pro Comp balancer
Edelbrock elite valve covers, and air cleaner
Accel cool blue air filter
I have not settled on a transmission yet but have narrowed it down to:
C-4 Super comp with manual valve body and 3500 stall or Tremec TKO 5 speed.
The rear end is a 8.8 out of a 87 T-bird turbo coupe (4x108 with disk brakes)
I have some high expectations for this project. I definitely see some crazy timeslips in my future.
It will be a lot of work but I am not too worried. If all goes well, look for it on the streets in May! [thumb] [thumb]
Zarelli6 04-14-2004, 12:16 PM zx3matt did you reaaaalllly have to quote all the pictures and EVERYTHING? haha 56k warning here.
TORQUERULES 04-14-2004, 12:19 PM oops. They are just so sexy...
rollout 04-14-2004, 12:57 PM Here is a link to some pictures I took at the Tulsa Cruise-In last night. The first few are of a V8 Focus.
www.stewartcomputer.com/carshow
guerro 04-14-2004, 03:40 PM Originally posted by zx3matt
oops. They are just so sexy...
Yeah, they are sexy. But can you edit your post and take them out ?? It's a waste of bandwidth.
TORQUERULES 04-14-2004, 04:36 PM Originally posted by guerro
Yeah, they are sexy. But can you edit your post and take them out ?? It's a waste of bandwidth.
Done.[rolleyes]
SVT4ME 04-14-2004, 08:31 PM Originally posted by rollout
Here is a link to some pictures I took at the Tulsa Cruise-In last night. The first few are of a V8 Focus.
Personally I found this one more interesting:
http://stewartcomputer.com/carshow/L_IMGP2053.jpg
Why on Earth would anyone ever have used a Renault Dauphine as a police car?? Whether it really was a police car or the car is a "fake" police car made for shows, it's a cruel joke. Criminals could outrun that thing on FOOT! [:D]
Mr.Pressurized 04-27-2004, 07:18 PM Project update:
There hasn't been much lately but I did buy a set of 26x10 Hoosier slicks. The wheels they are on will be replaced with the Weld Draglites in the later pics. These are some previews of what it will look like with the slicks. In one pic you can see the rear axle that will be installed soon. It needs a good cleanup but should work well.
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/beefy1.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/beefy2.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/beefy3.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/beefy4.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/beefy5.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/beefy6.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/beefy7.jpg
Lil_RedZX3 04-27-2004, 11:31 PM Mr.Pressurized, the Focus has a stronger unibody than a Mustang? That's amazing to me.
mofocus 04-28-2004, 02:26 AM i didnt think the mustang was a unibody? seeing as it has a frame and subframe?
guerro 04-28-2004, 02:33 AM Originally posted by mofocus
i didnt think the mustang was a unibody? seeing as it has a frame and subframe?
The mustang is a unibody. It has front and rear "subframes".
mofocus 04-28-2004, 02:44 AM gotcha
Mr.Pressurized 04-30-2004, 11:16 AM More pics:
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/testfit1.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/testfit10.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/testfit11.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/testfit12.jpg
http://ksracing.net/v8swap/testfit13.jpg
Focus_ryter 04-30-2004, 11:36 AM Wow that looks like it fits in there with some room! Cant wait to see it finished!
focuson03 04-30-2004, 12:04 PM [eek] that's just amazing. . .
Lil PZEV 04-30-2004, 01:43 PM That's hot.... sounds like you're moving right along... god can't wait for some #s from that beast![}:)]
beat3rfocus 04-30-2004, 08:21 PM so whats the update with this swap???Run out of money and have to sell the computer to buy more parts?
Mr.Pressurized 04-30-2004, 08:48 PM Busy buying a house and doing a million other little things that you will never see. There are tons of cosmetic things to do, wiring, shopping, etc. Did I mention buying a house?
Not enough hours in the day. Not much internet time.
i2iz3n 04-30-2004, 08:50 PM what are you doing posting? Get back in the garage! Haha, just kiddin bro. We FF members are very appreciative for your knowledge and willingness to show us what we all want to do to our cars. Keep it up bro, it will be worth it in the end.
crazy_urn 04-30-2004, 09:03 PM looks awesome [thumb]
only prob is your going to have to get a new liscene plate, lol
B-townZX3 04-30-2004, 10:48 PM I got a chubb goin reading and seeing those pics. Good luck with it and please keep us posted.[cheers]
staticprevails4 04-30-2004, 11:11 PM thats going to be one bad focus when its done.
frogg5872 07-06-2004, 11:40 PM any updates???
zx3owner 07-07-2004, 08:22 AM WOW I want to see the 1/4 mile results.
avengerc4 07-07-2004, 12:21 PM that looks nice man :) keep it up ! :)
dbo2001 04-03-2008, 02:03 AM any updates i am hella curious about your progress keep us posted
ZX5_Wombat 04-03-2008, 02:28 AM haha, back from the dead. Now I'm curious....
eliaslincoln 04-03-2008, 03:24 AM where would someone have to go to find this!?!?
lol
killer ZETEC 04-03-2008, 03:37 AM www.kugelkomponents.com
they tell you everything you need right there. and coincidentally they designed it before ford did,lol. (their rs8 used a kugel kit... go figure...)
runfocusrun 04-03-2008, 12:35 PM Hey Scott, any updates how things worked out? I'm seriously debating of getting one of those as a sleeper (2nd Fofo). Have no place to build it myself so I'm looking at Kugel or getting info abt the RS8 or Seyer. Keep us posted, I'm interested.
boostedztec 04-03-2008, 08:09 PM we have 2 running around here with a 351 in them and there such a tight fit
I chose the 351 because nobody has done it before. Yes, it is tall but there is plenty of room to grow in displacement if I feel the need.
Yes the turbo stuff has been sold.
No, it will not have an IRS. It will have a lsd or possibly an air locker differential in it (BTW, the Turbo T-bird rear end came with a 3.73 gear and traction-loc in it already).
3500 Stall. Yeah, that is pretty high for a daily driver but I don't care. I have driven bitchy cars on the street. What fun would it be if it was easy to drive? It won't likely see rain unless I get caught out in it. If fuel economy was a concern, I wouldn't be doing it.
I will have my body man make me a custom hood. I am not a big fan of most designs out there.
I don't think there will be any way to to make this AWD. That is a project for another car.
As far as boosting it, I am running a carb setup with nitrous this year. After this summer, I will probably convert it to fuel injection once I get more familiar with the AEM standalone. Once it is fuel injected, look for boost if I think the car can handle it.
The money spent so far is about $3000 not including the engine. I am not a rich man but I spend wisely and selling my old mods have covered everything so far. Wait for the right deal and have cash in hand to take advantage of it.
More to come...
patalrob 04-03-2008, 10:30 PM MMMMMMM I have a 351W and a C-4 just wanting to be run again.....
stoopidsteve87 04-03-2008, 10:49 PM OMG HOLY THREAD RESURRECTION BATMAN!
lol, had to do it.
azdamay 04-03-2008, 10:55 PM Search the term ZX351 on this site... also YouTube has a few vids. That's what the end result was, for those who are curious for the "update" on something that happened years ago. [rolleyes] Also IIRC car has been sold.
Spinal 04-03-2008, 11:42 PM i looked at his profile and looked through his posts, the car sold early last year for around 16K.
patalrob 04-04-2008, 09:07 AM So that was his ZX351 on you tub.... I like watching that video every once in awhile.
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