I'm at the point to buy or give up myself. Here's where I stand.
hb titanium, no other options - msrp $24,995
two dealers offered it for $23,000, one at $22,500(before rebates)
doc./title/other fees - $275-280
Current rebates - $2500
The issue - my trade in. I didn't mention it until we reached the above point to any of them. It's a high mileage minivan. Two dealers said $2500 at best, one flat out said he didn't want it. Running through three online trade in calculators, I was expecting to be in the $3700-$4700 range. So, it looks like I need to try and sell it myself. I'd much rather have it gone before buying something else, so I'll get it listed in the next couple days and see what happens. I was really hoping to be done this week, but I wasn't expecting to be so far off from the numbers I had worked up for the trade. It's been a good learning experience.