Originally Posted by revhigh
You're missing the point .... I didn't say you couldn't PAY $30K for it ... I said it was a $20K car (or considerably less) in the real marketplace (no matter the options) .... which is why the resale values are what they are. Mine was $16,500 (MSRP just under $21K) ... about $17,300 out the door ... and I have the exact same car as a $30K car ... without the electronic doo dads that don't seem to work very well anyway. No Sync ... no MFT .... no DCT .... That's exactly why the values are what they are on the used market. Because if you put a lightly used loaded economy car of almost ANY brand on the lot against a less loaded (or even stripped) brand NEW car .... for most buyers there is no choice in that decision ... it will usually be the NEW car that they choose.
Moral of the story .... don't buy loaded economy cars if you have any intention of getting rid of them in the first 4 years or so .... most will be way upside down if you have a loan .... or will lose vast amounts of the value if you paid cash. OR ... buy lightly used loaded cars a year or so old. It's the only way you won't get hammered on the value.
Honestly ... at $30K or more .... there are a helluva lot of better cars on the market than the Ford Focus. As good as it is ... it is what it is .... an economy car, and most people won't pay anywhere near $30K for an economy car. If you did .... well ... we now see what happens to your '$30K' car.
I agree that it has to be fixed whether it was $16.5K or $30K, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion if the car wasn't so riddled with issues that people are so frustrated with them that they're trying to get rid of them when they're only a year or so old.
I don't have any of the high-tech issues ... because I don't have any of the high-tech stuff ... but I do have the front suspension issue ... and it's starting to tick me off to the point that I'm just not crazy about the car as much anymore ... and I would NEVER recommend a Focus OR a Ford to anybody at this point. Maybe that will change if my suspension ever gets fixed.
Except that you're incorrect. Don't try to justify your point with a logical fallacy. By your reasoning, the M3 is only a $40k car, since it's basically a 328i with more features (if an entirely different suspension is a feature, then an engine would also be considered a feature). In doing so you're building a strawman.
Your car and mine are completely different automobiles. Vastly superior suspension, vastly superior handling capabilities, better looking exterior because of the tires/wheels, heated leather seats, full leather interior, entertainment system that allows more connections and includes more capabilities, full-size spare, full dual-zone climate control, IA key technology with push button start, and more.
Yes, all of those are simply features that were added on to a basic car...but that's exactly what makes my car far better than yours. Just because you bought the absolute base-model car doesn't mean all of the others in the line perform *ANYTHING* like yours.
People get into my car and would never know it were a focus if I didn't say anything. People get in my car and believe that it's worth $30k. A friend of mine has a base-model 2012 and people get into his car and *immediately* know it's a Focus. You can't compare the two.
Oh, and issues aside, there really isn't a better $30k car on the market. The only thing in that range that could be a contender is the Subaru WRX, which is marginally better but reeks of poor quality (close a door and listen for the hollow sound). Nothing else really compares, and every major review site and magazine would agree. You don't honestly think they're all incorrect, do you?