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Old 05-19-2012, 07:57 AM   #152
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Originally Posted by Graves View Post
Dodge. Minus the Viper I've never been impressed with anything they put out 70's on.
Nothing impressive after 1970? This must be based upon total ignorance (lack of awareness). What about the #1 selling minivan in the world with it's interior volume that rivaled Suburban plus better handling and double the gas mileage? I transport my motorcycle in a Grand Caravan! You can't do that in a Suburban unless you lay your bike down on it's side lol. Every car company in the world copied the Caravan except for Mercedes and BMW, including their revolutionary stow and go seating. Dodge Caravan was so good that Ford threw in the towel and discontinued BOTH of their minivan offerings, leaving Dodge to stand it's ground against the onslaught of Honda and Toyota import copycats. The base Dodge minivan has over 280 HP and they handle like a car! GM hardly pretends to compete in that market.

The Neon & Stratus cab forward design offered interior volume almost equal to Taurus in a much smaller & lighter chassis. It was truly revolutionary and copied throughout the industry. Asian car companies especially adopted the cab forward concept. The Neon's costly SLA suspension is generally only found on a sports car or premium marque. It totally blows away the typical basic strut setup (Focus etc). This is why Neons rule in road track racing and Focus is non-existent. What about the Omni turbo GLHS that ran 13's back when all other econoboxes were running 16's?? They ruled tracks for many years. With a driver who could harness the power, they inhaled the slower GTI and CRX. The Chrysler-Dodge 4 cylinder motors found in their cars from mid-70's were far superior to the GM or Ford offerings. The 16v domestic design Neon motor was far superior to what Ford offered in the Escort. Ford's econobox pinto motor variants were heavier and less efficient and short-lived GM Vega Cosworth had serious design defects. The GM Iron Duke was surely not impressive. It took Mazda to rescue Ford from their 4 cyl powerplant gap.

Chrysler 300 with SRT8 sported the bulletproof Mercedes tranny and put the Ford Mercury Marauder to shame in a straight line. It was big and not a BMW M5 or CTS-V killer wrt handling, but had some nice attributes like good comfort and wicked big brakes.

As for truck power, the 6 cyl Cummins diesel found in Dodge pickups has been the #1 towing KING since it's release. Go to any county fair and see who's pulling the sled to win a #1 trophy. If it's running on diesel, it's either John Deere or Dodge. Ford and GM diesels don't even rate, despite more cylinders, more cost and more fuel consumption. The bolt-on aftermarket kits for Dodge Cummins are cheap and will push a 1 ton dualie into the 11's.

Have you been in a Jeep off-road lately? Obviously not. They can climb walls and pass thru streams 3 ft deep in total comfort. A wide list of engines are offered including thrifty and torquey turbo diesels. The Jeep is still king in the woods and has been since world war II.

The latest crop of Chrysler's slimmed down and tuned performance SUV's are worthy competitors to BMW X series offering world class road acceleration, handling, braking and comfort.

Chrysler has struggled a bit with quality, but the difference between "best to worst" is quite small these days. It's only a 20% differential now between class leaders and the worst. Premium companies like VW, BMW and Mercedes have all struggled to reach average quality in the past 5 yrs, so it is not limited to cheaper or domestic marques.
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